Paulo Dybala - ST - Palermo (29 Viewers)

[baggio]

What makes you think that he will wait for us for another year?

The fact that he wants to remain in Italy. I'm in favour of this deal happening, and at 25m it maybe par for the course given that we are paying for potential. But anything north of 30m means having access to slightly more established players which the club may then want to consider.

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He's leaving this season whether we buy him or not. He won't be available on a free. He's hyped, sought after. We're lucky he hasn't caught the attention of the big money clubs and that he wants us.

Thats a bit of a contradiction. If he was sought after he would have caught the attention of the big money clubs. Point is, I would agree with the clubs policy of not going all out to buy him coz he's still somewhat an unproven quantity. It's big money for us from a club statergy perspective and we need to be right on the money when spending that sum of money on one position for a player you could argue may not be a starter from the get go.

 

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[Xperd]

The fact that he wants to remain in Italy..

Like Jovetic ? Players are rarely fixated on one particular destination these days.Just show them the money and you can entice them easily.

But anything north of 30m means having access to slightly more established players which the club may then want to consider

I'd want to hear some examples.If you are hinting at players like Falcao,well lets not forget that he earns almost 4 if not 5 times more than Dybala apart from his obvious issues with form/injuries.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

The fact that he wants to remain in Italy. I'm in favour of this deal happening, and at 25m it maybe par for the course given that we are paying for potential. But anything north of 30m means having access to slightly more established players which the club may then want to consider.

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Thats a bit of a contradiction. If he was sought after he would have caught the attention of the big money clubs. Point is, I would agree with the clubs policy of not going all out to buy him coz he's still somewhat an unproven quantity. It's big money for us from a club statergy perspective and we need to be right on the money when spending that sum of money on one position for a player you could argue may not be a starter from the get go.

Not really, he's sought after by many clubs, it just doesn't involve Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, you know the bunch. That's what i meant. But my main point is he won't wait for us.

And yes, for 30mil we could probably get an already proven and experienced player. I can't think of many right now, not for that role. Any suggestions?

 

[baggio]

Like Jovetic ? Players are rarely fixated on one particular destination these days.Just show them the money and you can entice them easily.

Their situations are different. Palermo and Fiorentina deal with us very differently.

I'd want to hear some examples.If you are hinting at players like Falcao,well lets not forget that he earns almost 4 if not 5 times more than Dybala apart from his obvious issues with form/injuries.[/QUOTE]

So what you're saying is Dybala is your best bet in 30-40m? Really? Wow. I am in favour of us buying the player. But I would agree witht the clubs stand if they don't push the envelope on this deal incase of a bidding war.

 

[Xperd]

If you are looking at 30m players,i think its important to take wages into consideration.Established players would likely command 2x more than what a Dybala could potentially earn at Juventus

 

[j0ker]

Their situations are different. Palermo and Fiorentina deal with us very differently.

I'd want to hear some examples.If you are hinting at players like Falcao,well lets not forget that he earns almost 4 if not 5 times more than Dybala apart from his obvious issues with form/injuries.

Seriously? Do you realize that here are 25-30mln at stake? Why would they treat us differently?

 

[baggio]

If you are looking at 30m players,i think its important to take wages into consideration.Established players would likely command 2x more than what a Dybala could potentially earn at Juventus

It's still a risk coz the player is not established. You've not seen him at another big club where the weight of expectation is different. We don't know how it will play out. In such a scenario, I would always be in favour of spending a proportionately higher sum in transfer money and wages on a player that has more guarantee. That may mean higher wages too, but you've got to also consider the pay off. Take the example of a player like Isco, he's slighyl older than Dybala, would command about the same fee in the present circumstances and a slightly higher pay packet. But I'd go with the latter simply because there are more guarantees in terms of experience and temperament in pressure conditions. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy at the prospect of us signing Dybala but it has to be somewhere between Zamparanis need to exploit us and our need to find a balanced addition to the squad with long term value.

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Seriously? Do you realize that here are 25-30mln at stake? Why would they treat us differently?

Iirc the Delle Valles didn't want to deal with Juve and inserted a buyout clause in the players contract or something to that effct.

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Not really, he's sought after by many clubs, it just doesn't involve Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, you know the bunch. That's what i meant. But my main point is he won't wait for us.

And yes, for 30mil we could probably get an already proven and experienced player. I can't think of many right now, not for that role. Any suggestions?

Up to 30m, is still within our means but we must consider we are not the kind of club who have the ability to correct 30m mistakes by buying big consistently so we need to be clear about that. After the Iturbe fiasco, like I said, anything north of 30m would be silly imo.

 

[j0ker]

It's still a risk coz the player is not established. You've not seen him at another big club where the weight of expectation is different. We don't know how it will play out. In such a scenario, I would always be in favour of spending a proportionately higher sum in transfer money and wages on a player that has more guarantee. That may mean higher wages too, but you've got to also consider the pay off. Take the example of a player like Isco, he's slighyl older than Dybala, would command about the same fee in the present circumstances and a slightly higher pay packet. But I'd go with the latter simply because there are more guarantees in terms of experience and temperament in pressure conditions. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy at the prospect of us signing Dybala but it has to be somewhere between Zamparanis need to exploit us and our need to find a balanced addition to the squad with long term value.

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Iirc the Delle Valles didn't want to deal with Juve and inserted a buyout clause in the players contract or something to that effct.

I heard about that, don't know how true that is.

But that's not the point.

The point is why would Palermo be nice to us and let us get their player for free?

 

[Xperd]

It's still a risk coz the player is not established. You've not seen him at another big club where the weight of expectation is different. We don't know how it will play out. In such a scenario, I would always be in favour of spending a higher on a player that has more guarantee. That may mean higher wages too, but you've got to also consider the pay off. Take the example of a player like Isco, he's slighyl older than Dybala, would command about the same fee in the present circumstances and a slightly higher pay packet. But I'd go with the latter simply because there are more guarantees in terms of experience and temperament in pressure conditions. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy at the prospect of us signing Dybala but it has to be somewhere between Zamparanis need to exploit and our need to find a balanced addition to the squad at a certain level.

This is where we share a difference of opinion.You think players like Isco who's slowly becoming a mainstay at Madrid can be accessible in the 30m range thats where i disagree totally.Some people here thought 25m for Sanchez is overpaying(an extremely lolworthy comment mind you) and he ended up going for about 43m euros.And Arsenal dont regret one bit for paying that.He's been worth every penny.
I have literally come to acceptance with the prices floating around these days involving average players/hyped talents/established players.30m is not a lot for me,contract situation or not.Obviously clubs like us should be careful with every penny we spend but if the club are going all out for him,i trust their judgement.

 

[baggio]

This is where we share a difference of opinion.You think players like Isco who's slowly becoming a mainstay at Madrid can be accessible in the 30m range thats where i disagree totally.Some people here thought 25m for Sanchez is overpaying(an extremely lolworthy comment mind you) and he ended up going for about 43m euros.And Arsenal dont regret one bit for paying
I have literally come to acceptance with the prices floating around these days involving average players/hyped talents/established players.30m is not a lot for me,contract situation or not.Obviously clubs like us should be careful with every penny we spend but if the club are going all out for him,i trust their judgement.

No I didn't say that. I'd be ok with us buying Dybala in the range of 25-30m in a scenario where international auctions are the norm. Especially with the player in the last year of his contract as well as you could factor in that he is moving within the same league, direct competitor or not, that definitely adds to the inflated value. That said though, I would be absolutely against us spending sums close to 35m-40m on a player like the one in question. It's too tricky for where we are in our cycle. We probably can make one such purchase or this nature every 2 years depending on domestic and CL success. So we need to be right on the money and I think the club knows that. Which is why they wouldn't participate in an international auction.

 

[Ocelot]

25 million is a perfectly fair price imo. 30 million would be a little bit too much though, considering his contract situation and assumed desire to leave the club.

 

[Xperd]

No I didn't say that. I'd be ok with us buying Dybala in the range of 25-30m in a scenario where international auctions are the norm. Especially with the player in the last year of his contract as well as you could factor in that he is moving within the same league, direct competitor or not, that definitely adds to the inflated value. That said though, I would be absolutely against us spending sums close to 35m-40m on a player like the one in question. It's too tricky for where we are in our cycle. We probably can make one such purchase or this nature every 2 years depending on domestic and CL success. So we need to be right on the money and I think the club knows that. Which is why they wouldn't participate in an international auction.

Oh in that case i definitely agree with you here

 

[baggio]

25 million is a perfectly fair price imo. 30 million would be a little bit too much though, considering his contract situation and assumed desire to leave the club.

If our rumoured bid of 25m is true, then I can see us make an improved 30m bid if things go up a notch to close quickly. You could account for +5m if the starting bid is high enough.

 

[piotrr]

He'd be stupid to go to Inter.

He likes Barca so he's not too bright it seems.

 

[Osman]

Yeah very stupid for a south american attacking player to want to go barca, what could possibly be the allure?

 

[JuveJay]

Pretty funny how they have the star striker for each of the big South Mexican three. And they used to have Alexis.

 

[PedroFlu]

25M tops for him.

Anyway, this is the typical situation where Marotta bursts his ass off trying to make a deal, and PSG suddenly appears with 35M + bonuses and land the guy just like that.

I hate oil clubs, specially PSG, the worst of them.

 

[vodka]

25M tops for him.

Anyway, this is the typical situation where Marotta bursts his ass off trying to make a deal, and PSG suddenly appears with 35M + bonuses and land the guy just like that.

I hate oil clubs, specially PSG, the worst of them.

whats their FFP situation?

 

[LiquidPLP]

The fact that he wants to remain in Italy. I'm in favour of this deal happening, and at 25m it maybe par for the course given that we are paying for potential. But anything north of 30m means having access to slightly more established players which the club may then want to consider.

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Thats a bit of a contradiction. If he was sought after he would have caught the attention of the big money clubs. Point is, I would agree with the clubs policy of not going all out to buy him coz he's still somewhat an unproven quantity. It's big money for us from a club statergy perspective and we need to be right on the money when spending that sum of money on one position for a player you could argue may not be a starter from the get go.

We could get a more established player for that sum but not by much in all honesty. Take Griezmann as example who went for about 30m to Atletico. Another examples could be the likes of Lukaku, Jovetic and Bony. Were they that much 'proven'? I honestly don't think so. Isco is not a good example I doubt you could get him even for 50m.

I agree we have to spend money like that very carefully but in all honesty Dybala is worth those 25m today easily. The club that ends up buying him won't really benefit that much from the fact his contract is expiring. It will only keep the price being more realistic instead of it being simply ridiculous. I wouldn't even complain if we spent 30m on this guy. More important than the price is our management's confidence in the player just like with Morata. Everyone was crying when we spent 20m on the kid, fans of other clubs were laughing but now nobody does.
If our management is sure of the kid doing well here, just buy him. We know Agnelli and Marotta don't like to spend big sums so if they do, it must mean they all agree the kid can make it. We need Tevez's replacement as we have nobody else in our squad capable of properly replacing him in case of injury/tiredness. Another problem is the fact he'll leave in a year and Dybala would already be here, hopefully ready to take the responsibility over.

Don't forget his relatively low wages are a factor here and ability to split up the payments on many installments. It's simply easier for us to buy in Italy.

 

[juventus4life]

25M tops for him.

Anyway, this is the typical situation where Marotta bursts his ass off trying to make a deal, and PSG suddenly appears with 35M + bonuses and land the guy just like that.

I hate oil clubs, specially PSG, the worst of them.

PSG was monitoring Dybala a few months ago:
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=152254