Paul Pogba (215 Viewers)

[BayernFan]

Most overrated player in the current generation of players - and that takes a lot to be

I don’t understand why some Juve fans want him back, even if Rabiot, Arthur, McKennie etc are mediocre - Pogba is not the solution

 

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[LiquidPLP]

Most overrated player in the current generation of players - and that takes a lot to be

I don’t understand why some Juve fans want him back, even if Rabiot, Arthur, McKennie etc are mediocre - Pogba is not the solution

It's nostalgia man. While he was here, he had very good performances so people have hopes for some kind of restoration.

Only few notice it's not his game that is the problem but his head. Dude's ego has grown exponentially over the years and that's not fixable if you ask me.

 

[BayernFan]

It's nostalgia man. While he was here, he had very good performances so people have hopes for some kind of restoration.

Only few notice it's not his game that is the problem but his head. Dude's ego has grown exponentially over the years and that's not fixable if you ask me.

An over the hill, soon to be 35 year old Vidal would be a better choice than Jogba and that tells you all

Pogba needs a well functioning midfield around him to work, without that he's lost

 

[lgorTudor]

This fucking douche.

Hope he rots at United for the rest of his career.

But hey, him and adidas just came out with the worlds first vegan, gender-neutral football boot

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What a joke this guy turned into

Poobag

 

[zizinho]

An over the hill, soon to be 35 year old Vidal would be a better choice than Jogba and that tells you all

Pogba needs a well functioning midfield around him to work, without that he's lost

lol just no. Pogba needs a coach first, and we got that

 

[Jethro]

Most overrated player in the current generation of players - and that takes a lot to be

I don’t understand why some Juve fans want him back, even if Rabiot, Arthur, McKennie etc are mediocre - Pogba is not the solution

Pogba is better than all those three will ever be. All he needs is proper coaching, but everything that dude cares about is money, sadly. He's completely different player at France where he's always one of the best performers on the pitch. It's true that he needs to be surrounded by good players to do his best, but no midfielder can do it all by himself. I'm sure he would do a great job at Juve again, but I personally think that ship has sailed.

 

[lgorTudor]

Most overrated player in the current generation of players -

But that's obviously Neuer

 

[Post Ironic]

Pogba is better than all those three will ever be. All he needs is proper coaching, but everything that dude cares about is money, sadly. He's completely different player at France where he's always one of the best performers on the pitch. It's true that he needs to be surrounded by good players to do his best, but no midfielder can do it all by himself. I'm sure he would do a great job at Juve again, but I personally think that ship has sailed.

Putting in a shift for a couple weeks every other summer, or for a match every couple months for the NT is far different than consistently showing up week in, week out for 50+ matches over 9-10 months. This guy hasn’t done that for 5+ years now and turns 29 later this season. He’s done as a world class player at club level.

You’re right, he is better than those three will ever be. Far better even. But that doesn’t really say much. Those 3 are rubbish. Give me a young, motivated CM with big potential over Jogba any day of the week. This guy has turned into one of the biggest jokes in club football.

 

[ALC]

This guy is trash, fleeced United. Doesn’t deserve a big contract, more of a liability than anything else.

he has good games where he’ll look amazing and then just end up going back to shitty defense and turnovers. I’d rather have an average midfielder than this guy

 

[Fred]

Ya I'm a fan of Pogba's. He consistently delivers for the French NT. But lets be honest here, after 4 different managers at Man Utd and around 5 seasons, even his biggest fan has to concede that he has to take most of the blame. Whether its a mentality issue or something else, I dont know. But "not being utilized by the coach" is not a good enough excuse if it has spanned such a long period.

Its a real shame, because in glimpses for Utd and a couple of seasons for Juve (except his last iirc?) in addition to NT games, he's shown that ability and potential wise, he could be one of the best midfielders in the world. But to be considered that, you have to turn in consistent performances on a regular basis. Whatever rationalization you have for him, he just has not done that.

 

[BayernFan]

lol just no. Pogba needs a coach first, and we got that

He needs a coach? Access granted

He needs a working midfield - access denied

 

[zizinho]

Pogba would fit in perfectly to the left of Locatelli, the position Rabiot tried to play and which Arthur will try to play soon. LCM/LM in a 352ish 442 (AS going forward, Danilo staying back). Then youd need a runner to the right, someone who will do the work and attack the box constantly, and you have a great midfield suddenly. But he would have to take a paycut, for 15M or whatever he makes, its just too much for us at the moment. Thats why i dont see it happen

 

[BayernFan]

Pogba is better than all those three will ever be. All he needs is proper coaching, but everything that dude cares about is money, sadly. He's completely different player at France where he's always one of the best performers on the pitch. It's true that he needs to be surrounded by good players to do his best, but no midfielder can do it all by himself. I'm sure he would do a great job at Juve again, but I personally think that ship has sailed.

He wouldn’t.

Sorry to say, but its just how it is. The guy is so massively overrated that it’s mindblowing.

Without any leaders next to him he’s not worth anything.

It’s soon to be 6 years for him in United and 4 different managers and we’re still talking about this guy as it’s not his fault.

 

[zizinho]

He needs a coach? Access granted

He needs a working midfield - access denied

What does working midfield mean to you, because he played at his best in 15/16, and he didnt have Marchisio for 17/38 games, and Khedira for 19/38 games. He was especially good 2nd part of the season where Marchisio was out for the finishing stretch and Khedira missed almost half the games as well. The remaining options? Hernanes, Lemina, Sturaro. Would you say this is a working midfield?

 

[DanielSz]

It stopped being about football for Pogba the second he left Juve for fucking Manchester United, so idk why that’s even a topic lol. He’s not a serious pro. He’s happy being a celebrity and getting paid to essentially use Man U to train for the national team.

 

[Post Ironic]

Pogba would fit in perfectly to the left of Locatelli, the position Rabiot tried to play and which Arthur will try to play soon. LCM/LM in a 352ish 442 (AS going forward, Danilo staying back). Then youd need a runner to the right, someone who will do the work and attack the box constantly, and you have a great midfield suddenly. But he would have to take a paycut, for 15M or whatever he makes, its just too much for us at the moment. Thats why i dont see it happen

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He needs a coach? Access granted

He needs a working midfield - access denied

His apologists still making excuse after excuse for this overrated, overpaid bag of shit. They still going on about what he did 6 years ago, or a couple games a year for the NT where Kante holds his hand. What he needs most is a working brain. He’s a lazy, unmotivated clown. The new Yaya Toure. Wouldn’t want him anywhere near our project as we rejuvenate the squad and bring in young, talented upcomers. Pogba is a cancer.

 

[zizinho]

Ya I'm a fan of Pogba's. He consistently delivers for the French NT. But lets be honest here, after 4 different managers at Man Utd and around 5 seasons, even his biggest fan has to concede that he has to take most of the blame. Whether its a mentality issue or something else, I dont know. But "not being utilized by the coach" is not a good enough excuse if it has spanned such a long period.

Its a real shame, because in glimpses for Utd and a couple of seasons for Juve (except his last iirc?) in addition to NT games, he's shown that ability and potential wise, he could be one of the best midfielders in the world. But to be considered that, you have to turn in consistent performances on a regular basis. Whatever rationalization you have for him, he just has not done that.

Who are the 4 managers? They got him with Mourinho and he was replaced by Solskjear, who is still at the wheel. Pogba like every player has a position hes best at, where he thrives. Thats left mezzala. Hes got exceptional ball holding, shooting, passing and dribbling skills, so playing him in a 2 man pivot wih 4 attackers ahead isnt really using his full potential. ManU just isnt the team for him, if he comes here or joins Real or barca, and then fails, id say hes done (for whatever reason, not caring, being content with money, celebrity life, whatever), but i just camt judge him there. Another thing, look at the players that went there/left last 5-6 years, majority of them either thrived before joining or after leaving, young or old. Why would you not give the bemefit of the doubt to only Pogba when others proved the opposite

 

[Lapa]

But that's obviously Neuer

 

[Fred]

Who are the 4 managers? They got him with Mourinho and he was replaced by Solskjear, who is still at the wheel. Pogba like every player has a position hes best at, where he thrives. Thats left mezzala. Hes got exceptional ball holding, shooting, passing and dribbling skills, so playing him in a 2 man pivot wih 4 attackers ahead isnt really using his full potential. ManU just isnt the team for him, if he comes here or joins Real or barca, and then fails, id say hes done (for whatever reason, not caring, being content with money, celebrity life, whatever), but i just camt judge him there. Another thing, look at the players that went there/left last 5-6 years, majority of them either thrived before joining or after leaving, young or old. Why would you not give the bemefit of the doubt to only Pogba when others proved the opposite

Ability wise, i don't disagree. I don't doubt his ability for one second. He doesn't just magically lose the ability he had at Juve or what he displays regularly even today for the NT.

With that being said, he's been at Utd for 5 years. Its really difficult for me to accept any more excuses and just say you can't judge him at United. He's been surrounded by all kinds of players, he's played all across midfield and other than the fact that he just hasn't performed consistently, he also makes too many mistakes in midfield that lead to goals. A player's career is short, and you just cannot excuse 5 years just like that IMHO.

Now, for me as someone who enjoys Utds demise, I love that he doesn't deliver for them and consistenly does for the French NT

Also, I don't think its impossible that if he goes back to Juve or goes to another team he might go back to being a top midfielder that;s consistent. That being said, even if he does that, IMO it still doesnt excuse 5 inconsistent seasons (does my memory serve me right though, i think Ole's first season, Pogba was quite good? so maybe 4 inconsistent seasons)

PS: you're right about the managers, Its only two.

 

[zizinho]

Ability wise, i don't disagree. I don't doubt his ability for one second. He doesn't just magically lose the ability he had at Juve or what he displays regularly even today for the NT.

With that being said, he's been at Utd for 5 years. Its really difficult for me to accept any more excuses and just say you can't judge him at United. He's been surrounded by all kinds of players, he's played all across midfield and other than the fact that he just hasn't performed consistently, he also makes too many mistakes in midfield that lead to goals. A player's career is short, and you just cannot excuse 5 years just like that IMHO.

Now, for me as someone who enjoys Utds demise, I love that he doesn't deliver for them and consistenly does for the French NT

Also, I don't think its impossible that if he goes back to Juve or goes to another team he might go back to being a top midfielder that;s consistent. That being said, even if he does that, IMO it still doesnt excuse 5 inconsistent seasons (does my memory serve me right though, i think Ole's first season, Pogba was quite good? so maybe 4 inconsistent seasons)

PS: you're right about the managers, Its only two.

It doesnt excuse ofcourse, whatever happens next hes always gonna have this on his legacy. He was at his peak in 2016, he could have went for the CL in barcelona, Madrid, PSG or staying put. He chose a weak team, probably bought into the Mourinho and Zlatan hype. Raiola, money, fame, huge fanbase, "home", dumbass friends like Lingard. A lot of factors, had they succeeded in waking up the fallen giant it would have turned out great for him legacy wise. But they didnt and hes alao to blame.

Having said all that, doubting him as a player i dont think is fair. First, he wasnt terrible there, he had his fair share of great games. And 2nd, like i said, he needs to be seen in a different envirovement first, before dubbing him finished or overrated etc