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How many minutes will he play for jj in 23-24 season?


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Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,174
Just following your logic. I do rate Iniesta as best mid of all time so it’s not like I’m being facetious or anything. But knowing that you do too brings me joy and makes me think you’re not completely clueless when it comes to soccer.
:cookie: :touched: Soccer :howler:

Btw, aren't you the same guy that rates Lebron as the GOAT? I can't take you seriously. I'm sorry.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Its difficult to say, but at club level, I don't think Pirlo had a better season than 11/12. Age isn't always a factor though, look at Dzeko for example. Anyway like I said, time frames need to be established as do how players are allocated. Del Piero for example arguably had his best years in the 90s as did Brazilian Ronaldo, however they are were still world class players in the 2000s. Hence Xiavi, Iniesta, Ibrahimovic etc covered both pre and post messi-ronaldo dominance.
im not asking you when he had a better season, but when he was a better player

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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,526
:tup: Excellent. I honestly couldn't care less what you think. Do yourself a favor and put me on the ignore list. You don't need to read my posts, and I don't have to suffer through your garbage posts :baus:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jun/20/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-title-goat
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,174
:howler: That article :rofl: Posted by some fat middle aged man who probably never played the game but has the privilege to be a sports journalist.

Rates Iniesta as the best midfielder of all time, Cronaldo as the greatest footballer that ever lived, and Lebron as the GOAT. I'm not sure if I'm talking to a mature adult or an angsty teenage boy.
 

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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,526
:howler: That article :rofl: Posted by some fat middle aged man who probably never played the game but has the privilege to be a sports journalist.

Rates Iniesta as the best midfielder of all time, Cronaldo as the greatest footballer that ever lived, and Lebron as the GOAT. I'm not sure if I'm talking to a mature adult or an angsty teenage boy.
I never said Ronaldo was the greatest, imo that would be Messi.

Also not sure how rating Iniesta as the best mid is such a bad thing. He's won literally everything, is incredibly impressive to watch, been a key player in multiple tournaments as well as very consistent in his entire career. It really is hard to have a better career than Iniesta, not to mention better skills.

If anything, you sound like the angsty boy who won't even provide arguments supporting your claim and instead just post emojis and use insults for everything. Try to be a little more open minded, that's my advice.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,174
Both Messi and Iniesta are great footballers, but not the greatest of all time. I'd put Maradona and Pele ahead of Messi. As for greatest midfielder, there's only Zidane for me. I'd definitely place Iniesta in my top 10, but I find it hard to rate players in this era so highly, as the competition isn't as tough. The top teams are too OP, and the gap between the best teams and the rest is ever increasing. You just need to look at how mediocre international football, not just club football, has become to realize the diminishing quality. I used to enjoy watching the World Cup, seeing stacked Brazil, Argentina, and even Italy teams. Now, a solid and industrious Germany is doing well, but there aren't really any standout players on that team; they're a great collective, but that's about it.

Messi has failed his country on countless occasions, Ronaldo's Portugal win in spite of and not because of him, and teams like Brazil, Italy, and Holland look a pale shadow, a cheap imitation of their former selves.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Both Messi and Iniesta are great footballers, but not the greatest of all time. I'd put Maradona and Pele ahead of Messi. As for greatest midfielder, there's only Zidane for me. I'd definitely place Iniesta in my top 10, but I find it hard to rate players in this era so highly, as the competition isn't as tough. The top teams are too OP, and the gap between the best teams and the rest is ever increasing. You just need to look at how mediocre international football, not just club football, has become to realize the diminishing quality. I used to enjoy watching the World Cup, seeing stacked Brazil, Argentina, and even Italy teams. Now, a solid and industrious Germany is doing well, but there aren't really any standout players on that team; they're a great collective, but that's about it.

Messi has failed his country on countless occasions, Ronaldo's Portugal win in spite of and not because of him, and teams like Brazil, Italy, and Holland look a pale shadow, a cheap imitation of their former selves.
Platini would be above Zidane IMO


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pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
Both Messi and Iniesta are great footballers, but not the greatest of all time. I'd put Maradona and Pele ahead of Messi. As for greatest midfielder, there's only Zidane for me. I'd definitely place Iniesta in my top 10, but I find it hard to rate players in this era so highly, as the competition isn't as tough. The top teams are too OP, and the gap between the best teams and the rest is ever increasing. You just need to look at how mediocre international football, not just club football, has become to realize the diminishing quality. I used to enjoy watching the World Cup, seeing stacked Brazil, Argentina, and even Italy teams. Now, a solid and industrious Germany is doing well, but there aren't really any standout players on that team; they're a great collective, but that's about it.

Messi has failed his country on countless occasions, Ronaldo's Portugal win in spite of and not because of him, and teams like Brazil, Italy, and Holland look a pale shadow, a cheap imitation of their former selves.
While I agree on WCs being boring lately, I think its because of the game trying to conquer every market possible and the head of FIFA trying to get every dollar possible in their pockets, the talent is still there, but the format is retarded. The amount of small teams, the host countries and timing of international breaks is ruining everything
 

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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,526
Both Messi and Iniesta are great footballers, but not the greatest of all time. I'd put Maradona and Pele ahead of Messi. As for greatest midfielder, there's only Zidane for me. I'd definitely place Iniesta in my top 10, but I find it hard to rate players in this era so highly, as the competition isn't as tough. The top teams are too OP, and the gap between the best teams and the rest is ever increasing. You just need to look at how mediocre international football, not just club football, has become to realize the diminishing quality. I used to enjoy watching the World Cup, seeing stacked Brazil, Argentina, and even Italy teams. Now, a solid and industrious Germany is doing well, but there aren't really any standout players on that team; they're a great collective, but that's about it.

Messi has failed his country on countless occasions, Ronaldo's Portugal win in spite of and not because of him, and teams like Brazil, Italy, and Holland look a pale shadow, a cheap imitation of their former selves.
See, that wasn’t so hard :p

I think a lot of the WC being more “boring” is due to players being on a more similar level. Back then, there were countries with players who played football as a hobby and had other jobs. Now the field has evened out a lot.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
http://app.football-italia.net/?ref...t#article/footballitalia-119036&menu=news-all

Mino Raiola claims Manchester United 'saved themselves £100m’ on Paul Pogba as 'Juventus could’ve sold him to Real Madrid for £200m.’

Pogba returned to United in August 2016 for a then-world record fee of €110m, and Raiola explained a clause in the Frenchman’s Juve contract allowed him to join a club of his choosing, hence Madrid’s failure to sign him, despite offering the Bianconeri more money.

“Paul was an economic player,” the super-agent told Quote.

“A clause was included in our agreement with Juventus, which let him choose his next team by himself.

“I don’t push prices beyond limits. United spent £100m, but I think they would’ve had to pay £200m [without the clause].

“Yes, you heard that right. Juventus could’ve sold him to Real Madrid for £200m, but but Manchester United saved themselves £100m thanks to his clause.

“That way, the player was always in control of his future and able to make a decision independently.”
So basically, in his last season here we decided to offer him the legendary number 10 shirt while in the same time we accepted offering him a contract worth our highest wage bill which included a clause that would allow him to leave on his own terms whenever or wherever he wants despite us receving offers worth almost double what we sold him for. :baus:

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I can comprehend most of this story, tho what i can't quite figure out is why did the board have to offer this guy the number 10 shirt when we can now see that behind the scenes it was already obvious that they were expecting to part ways with him sooner rather than later. Not that i want to give too much thought to this crap just that i'm curious if Raiola really managed to trick our board into believing that Pogba was here to stay for longer when actually his only intention was just to raise his quota even more by marketing and maximizing the profits off him as a number 10... i think it's either that or Beppe&co were simply way too grateful to Raiola in the first place to actually even have a word in this.(to them it was all profit anyways)

Conspiracy theory 1.0 :lol:
 

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