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How many minutes will he play for jj in 23-24 season?


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Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Vidal was a big impact player as in he scored or dominated physically routinely at his best. Tho it helped he took alot of pks, but his attitude and ferocious mentality was most key in the imposing presence he had.



But Pogba is more talented and skilled, even if he was less likely to impose himself as eagerly.

But your post was pathetic simply because you are on revionistic overdrive just because we are selling him, Pogba is amazingly complete player, like no other I ever seen before, and he became clutch decisive more and more, the fact he assists like he does and is unplayable on his day is nothing Vidal can do (Vidal is superior in mental/attitude aspect and insane defensive impact). And he started to become more of a threat goalscoring wise. We are losing great player thats only 23, your post was laughable to read trying to diminish that, I loled extra at the part of Pjanic, allways consistent? His drawback in his career has been he dissapeared for half of the season for majority of his career until recently. Allways good in great games? How, when based on what? Excellent at keeping ball under pressure? He is technical, but he is really physically well, and under pressure is not what you want him to be too long. You comparing to Pogba, who is insane beast physically and is his own enemy alone on the ball, since he can become unplayable with that physique and brilliant technique, as in this is guy that shrugs off pressuring players like bees.


Rest of your post was laughable with Khedira, Marchisio and Sturaro :lol: Put together they arent comparable to him at his best, tho Marchisio is alot more important tactically. Tho its a joke to say he is better then Pogba in big games. Same Pogba you take for granted when he has been decisive on so many occasions.



Honestly that post of yours was one of the worst you made, so vindictive and petty.
Pogba was decisive in serie a this season. After January, he was adding quite alot and the last 10-15 games his g+a was consistantly 1.5 - 2.0

Last year when we went to a CL final, Pogba didnt add a single thing to the campaign. he was average in the groupstage, and when he was getting on fire in italy, he got injured (sadly, as he was really good).
Vidal was a huge factor.

People act like i say pogba is bad. Not really, good player, and you remember how i praised him beeing the only one able to receive and keep the ball vs bayern in the first leg.


But this is not the same as how Vidal was making an impact against for example Real Madrid.




Now, i see you make the same big mistake as Ocelot. Offcourse i am aware Pogba has a very large improvement margain, especially when it comes to consistancy. I know this


The reason i make my post is because people say "out midfield deteriorates alot, right now". My point it, if we get a vidal like player, it does not.
 

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zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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I clearly stated in the first post you quoted, "except that barcelona game' which was horrible.


Thing is, stats are a tricky thing when it comes to cm's. Vidal was terrorizing Madrid and kept their entire midfield from functionning.
You also said Khedira and Marchisio were better in big games. Pogba brought us back into the game vs City with his assist and won us a point in Gladbach which were both crucial

He then proceeded to score in Munich and made such a great game from us even possible. Judging by his amazing form, hed likely have a monster CL campaign if we beat Bayern that night. Last season equalized vs Olympiacos (crucial goal) and got the assist vs Madrid that made us progress. Won a penalty in the final that wasnt called. Vidal did well vs Real but was not close to his usual self in the other games. Pogba was more important to us in 2015 than Vidal
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
:tup:

Pointless argument
You are truely pathetic today



People say our midfield becomes alot weaker. I make an argument it is not weaker right now. Right now, not taking in accound the future growth potential (which is alot)


He misreads it and goes on about growth, which wasent the point, and you applaud it.




stop raping the argument
 

Paid-off-Ref

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2004
4,102
Downgrade in every way?
They have a bigger and better stadium. They have more supporters and worldwide following only second to Madrid and Barca. They pay equally well, and are in a more glamorous league than us. There is a reason the Adidas deal with United is so much higher than either us or Madrid. Their manager is much more high profile in the football world than ours. Not saying better, but more high profile.
Man U will be in the CL next season(not this season). There's no way they don't finish in the top 4 at least with the squad they have.
And there's a certain ego and aura that comes from being the most expensive player in the world. That's something only Man U can afford right now as Madrid couldn't come up with the funds...
Also, you have to realize, he has a special relationship with Manchester. He still has friends there and he has said that it is his first family in a recent interview.
Admit it, despite your nickname, you are a United supporter. You joined up this month and have been pretty pro-United throughout. Post in your own damn forum.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Vidal was our best midfielder untill his last season, which he started injured. He grew back to his defensive form, and was vidal in reaching the final. In which he had a horrible game.
'piss poor at some big games' is just flat out lying. You are talking about ONE big game.


Pogba was never 'great' in big games except the Man City game. He was good, but he was never the best midfield player for juventus, let alone carry the midfield.


Your post is stupid. I have exceptionally clearly stated "the quality right now, not in 4-5 years". I'm purely talking about comparing our quality right now. As in right now. You know, right now.
'right now' doesnt give a shit about age. Its about right now.

So yeah, read what you are quoting ffs.


The point was : people say our midfield turned weak now. Absolutely not. The midfield potential, took a hit. But if we get herrera, the midfield quality RIGHT NOW, is just every bit as good as it was.


Its about comparing our chances for a cl the comming season. So its about right now. Not in 4-5 years time. Right now



Got it @Ocelot ? right now.

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Thats not the point.


People said our midfield weakens now.


my point is, right now if we get herrera it doesnt weaken at all. it just loses its potential to grow
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You are truely pathetic today



People say our midfield becomes alot weaker. I make an argument it is not weaker right now. Right now, not taking in accound the future growth potential (which is alot)


He misreads it and goes on about growth, which wasent the point, and you applaud it.




stop raping the argument
How is losing your best mid 'not weakening at all'? Please stop
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,908
Redcafe meet our badass dybala
Ah I've fucking had it reading this bullshit about how many utd is a better proposition. I've seen it on Facebook comments this forum and other forums it's beginning to irritate the fuck out of me. Even read some idiot stating that martial is better than dybala and how many utd have a superior midfield? Oh fuck them I never thought Carrick and poodle head could be such an exciting midfield to be part of with a defence that is more open than Jenna Jameson's vag hole
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
You also said Khedira and Marchisio were better in big games. Pogba brought us back into the game vs City with his assist and won us a point in Gladbach which were both crucial

He then proceeded to score in Munich and made such a great game from us even possible. Judging by his amazing form, hed likely have a monster CL campaign if we beat Bayern that night. Last season equalized vs Olympiacos (crucial goal) and got the assist vs Madrid that made us progress. Won a penalty in the final that wasnt called. Vidal did well vs Real but was not close to his usual self in the other games. Pogba was more important to us in 2015 than Vidal
I said that pogba had 1 standout game, and that was against City, didnt i ? Or cant you remember what you quoted me on 5 minutes ago.

Pogba is a player carried by an amazing midfield. In the CL, he never carried the team except versus City
yeah, he will score or assist, like i said. Like that glorified tap in vs Bayern, excellent movement right there. Won a noncalled penalty and was fouled with barcelona's second goal, ye.


If we had missed vidal against madrid, but had pogba, our chances would have been dramatically lower to proceed.





We miss vidal more, then we have missed Pogba. this season has shown that quite often.
 

Klovn

#MakeTuzGreatAgain
Jul 28, 2011
21,859
Downgrade in every way?
They have a bigger and better stadium. They have more supporters and worldwide following only second to Madrid and Barca. They pay equally well, and are in a more glamorous league than us. There is a reason the Adidas deal with United is so much higher than either us or Madrid. Their manager is much more high profile in the football world than ours. Not saying better, but more high profile.
Man U will be in the CL next season(not this season). There's no way they don't finish in the top 4 at least with the squad they have.
And there's a certain ego and aura that comes from being the most expensive player in the world. That's something only Man U can afford right now as Madrid couldn't come up with the funds...
Also, you have to realize, he has a special relationship with Manchester. He still has friends there and he has said that it is his first family in a recent interview.
Fuck off back to redcafe
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I agree but, how do you even find a gem like Vidal?! Players like him are hard to find, especially in their prime, and don't grow on trees.
I can't think of anyone close to his ability who is available?!
Herrera isnt as talented as Vidal, but he's very similar in style and impact, not as physical, but faster.


Get Herrera. Then get Rakitic or Matic
 

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