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After 4 years here I've been expecting a lot more from him. I don't mind a player using fancy tricks and skill often as long as he can pull it off most of the time, like Neymar, but that's not the case here.
As someone said you often see his best and his worst in the same match. He's been a starting player for a long while now, so you can't say it's lack of experience . The fact is he still can't close that gap from being an inconsistent player to solid world class. If I didn't believe in him I would have not spent 120 bucks for his #10 jersey but really he never truly deserved all the hype he's got. The talent is there but I could name a thousand players that had the talent but never made it, I don't want Pogba to be another.
As someone said you often see his best and his worst in the same match. He's been a starting player for a long while now, so you can't say it's lack of experience . The fact is he still can't close that gap from being an inconsistent player to solid world class. If I didn't believe in him I would have not spent 120 bucks for his #10 jersey but really he never truly deserved all the hype he's got. The talent is there but I could name a thousand players that had the talent but never made it, I don't want Pogba to be another.
He's playing for Juventus, as an important player, hence he made it. I'm not entirely satisfied with his development so far, I think his best season was 2013/14, since then he stagnated if not regressed a bit. But he's still a damn good player on his day and doesn't deserve half the criticism he's been getting. Yes, he can be frustrating at times with his fancy shit and I'd love if he cut it out. He's too eager to make a killer move, to unlock the game and he's having difficulty to make desired impact due to insane level of pressure he's put on his back. It's Allegri job to get this out of his head and to force him to use more help from his teammates.
Allegri: 'Pogba wrong attitude'
Max Allegri still wasn’t entirely happy with the Juventus performance and told off Paul Pogba.
The Bianconeri stayed two points clear at the top of the Serie A table with a 2-0 victory away to Atalanta.
“It’s one less game, one less win we need to achieve. It was a good first half, we made some mistakes in our passing choices after the break and in the last half-hour should’ve done better.
“The approach to the game was good, we could’ve scored more than one early on and moved the ball around well. Once we stopped playing, they started whipping in crosses and we naturally suffered a bit.
“We have to work on the second half performance, as we gave the ball away too quickly and were trying to score early, whereas you can have more than three passes on the way into the box."
Andrea Barzagli and Mario Lemina were rare goalscorers in Bergamo.
“I am happy for Andrea, as he’s the one who usually stays back to protect when the others go up for a corner or free kick. Mario scored a great goal.
“Usually big clubs have great players who can score a goal out of nowhere and break the deadlock. This season we have three more points than Napoli, but they scored 10 goals more than we did, so defence is especially important.”
Mario Mandzukic got back at one point to defend inside his own box, running from an attacking corner to prevent an Atalanta equaliser.
“Let’s say this is a different Juve to last season. There are 10 new players who have different experiences. The young lads have improved and we are gaining in our authority when dealing with various moments of the game, as we did today.
“Mandzukic is generous and works for the team. He is the player we needed, as he has strong personality and also different characteristics to replace Carlos Tevez.
“Pogba is a player who can make the difference if he plays it simple and is focused. He got booked and let that affect him, so he lost his way in the second half and basically stopped playing.”
http://www.football-italia.net/80878/allegri-pogba-wrong-attitude
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Allegri: 'Pogba wrong attitude'
Max Allegri still wasn’t entirely happy with the Juventus performance and told off Paul Pogba.
The Bianconeri stayed two points clear at the top of the Serie A table with a 2-0 victory away to Atalanta.
“It’s one less game, one less win we need to achieve. It was a good first half, we made some mistakes in our passing choices after the break and in the last half-hour should’ve done better.
“The approach to the game was good, we could’ve scored more than one early on and moved the ball around well. Once we stopped playing, they started whipping in crosses and we naturally suffered a bit.
“We have to work on the second half performance, as we gave the ball away too quickly and were trying to score early, whereas you can have more than three passes on the way into the box."
Andrea Barzagli and Mario Lemina were rare goalscorers in Bergamo.
“I am happy for Andrea, as he’s the one who usually stays back to protect when the others go up for a corner or free kick. Mario scored a great goal.
“Usually big clubs have great players who can score a goal out of nowhere and break the deadlock. This season we have three more points than Napoli, but they scored 10 goals more than we did, so defence is especially important.”
Mario Mandzukic got back at one point to defend inside his own box, running from an attacking corner to prevent an Atalanta equaliser.
“Let’s say this is a different Juve to last season. There are 10 new players who have different experiences. The young lads have improved and we are gaining in our authority when dealing with various moments of the game, as we did today.
“Mandzukic is generous and works for the team. He is the player we needed, as he has strong personality and also different characteristics to replace Carlos Tevez.
“Pogba is a player who can make the difference if he plays it simple and is focused. He got booked and let that affect him, so he lost his way in the second half and basically stopped playing.”
http://www.football-italia.net/80878/allegri-pogba-wrong-attitude
Max Allegri still wasn’t entirely happy with the Juventus performance and told off Paul Pogba.
The Bianconeri stayed two points clear at the top of the Serie A table with a 2-0 victory away to Atalanta.
“It’s one less game, one less win we need to achieve. It was a good first half, we made some mistakes in our passing choices after the break and in the last half-hour should’ve done better.
“The approach to the game was good, we could’ve scored more than one early on and moved the ball around well. Once we stopped playing, they started whipping in crosses and we naturally suffered a bit.
“We have to work on the second half performance, as we gave the ball away too quickly and were trying to score early, whereas you can have more than three passes on the way into the box."
Andrea Barzagli and Mario Lemina were rare goalscorers in Bergamo.
“I am happy for Andrea, as he’s the one who usually stays back to protect when the others go up for a corner or free kick. Mario scored a great goal.
“Usually big clubs have great players who can score a goal out of nowhere and break the deadlock. This season we have three more points than Napoli, but they scored 10 goals more than we did, so defence is especially important.”
Mario Mandzukic got back at one point to defend inside his own box, running from an attacking corner to prevent an Atalanta equaliser.
“Let’s say this is a different Juve to last season. There are 10 new players who have different experiences. The young lads have improved and we are gaining in our authority when dealing with various moments of the game, as we did today.
“Mandzukic is generous and works for the team. He is the player we needed, as he has strong personality and also different characteristics to replace Carlos Tevez.
“Pogba is a player who can make the difference if he plays it simple and is focused. He got booked and let that affect him, so he lost his way in the second half and basically stopped playing.”
http://www.football-italia.net/80878/allegri-pogba-wrong-attitude
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Allegri: 'Pogba wrong attitude'
Max Allegri still wasn’t entirely happy with the Juventus performance and told off Paul Pogba.
The Bianconeri stayed two points clear at the top of the Serie A table with a 2-0 victory away to Atalanta.
“It’s one less game, one less win we need to achieve. It was a good first half, we made some mistakes in our passing choices after the break and in the last half-hour should’ve done better.
“The approach to the game was good, we could’ve scored more than one early on and moved the ball around well. Once we stopped playing, they started whipping in crosses and we naturally suffered a bit.
“We have to work on the second half performance, as we gave the ball away too quickly and were trying to score early, whereas you can have more than three passes on the way into the box."
Andrea Barzagli and Mario Lemina were rare goalscorers in Bergamo.
“I am happy for Andrea, as he’s the one who usually stays back to protect when the others go up for a corner or free kick. Mario scored a great goal.
“Usually big clubs have great players who can score a goal out of nowhere and break the deadlock. This season we have three more points than Napoli, but they scored 10 goals more than we did, so defence is especially important.”
Mario Mandzukic got back at one point to defend inside his own box, running from an attacking corner to prevent an Atalanta equaliser.
“Let’s say this is a different Juve to last season. There are 10 new players who have different experiences. The young lads have improved and we are gaining in our authority when dealing with various moments of the game, as we did today.
“Mandzukic is generous and works for the team. He is the player we needed, as he has strong personality and also different characteristics to replace Carlos Tevez.
“Pogba is a player who can make the difference if he plays it simple and is focused. He got booked and let that affect him, so he lost his way in the second half and basically stopped playing.”
http://www.football-italia.net/80878/allegri-pogba-wrong-attitude
I don't see it that way tbh. He's made it as a professional footballer playing for one of the most iconic clubs in history, sure. But regarding his talent and promising future/high ceiling/expectation of being one of the best of his time, he's clearly quite a ways to reach that.
Having said that, it simply comes with the job, that's how it is. If he can't handle the pressure then he won't become anything great. 22 is still young but it isn't 18 young, he's had enough first team experience both in domestic/continental and international level to be a decent polished material by now. It's like he's 18 again, showing glimpses of promise but messing up with the stupidest mistakes, making the wrong choices quite often, showboating and falling flat on his face. How about cutting that social media crap and actually playing top Football?
Yes, he has regressed. In fact I've said this before, my favorite season of his was 13/14 too, although a lot of people here disagreed with me when they thought he was better last season, but after that we're still waiting for that jump in quality that never happened. I love Pogba but fair is fair, too much hype, no consistency whatsoever.
Having said that, it simply comes with the job, that's how it is. If he can't handle the pressure then he won't become anything great. 22 is still young but it isn't 18 young, he's had enough first team experience both in domestic/continental and international level to be a decent polished material by now. It's like he's 18 again, showing glimpses of promise but messing up with the stupidest mistakes, making the wrong choices quite often, showboating and falling flat on his face. How about cutting that social media crap and actually playing top Football?
Yes, he has regressed. In fact I've said this before, my favorite season of his was 13/14 too, although a lot of people here disagreed with me when they thought he was better last season, but after that we're still waiting for that jump in quality that never happened. I love Pogba but fair is fair, too much hype, no consistency whatsoever.
When he gets frustrated he tries to make up for it by doing difficult stuff instead of making the right plays. He doesn't have that killer instinct like Cristiano, Messi and Robben f.ex where they make plays with the sole purpose of just getting as many goals as possible for their team/themselves and embarass the opponents on the scoreboard. Pogba is more about entertaining and smiling instead of just going for the kill, which he is capable of despite being a central midfielder.
He's way better than our domestic opponents, as we saw when he come on against inter in the coppa. Dude is different class, but he's got to change his attitude as allegri says.
He's way better than our domestic opponents, as we saw when he come on against inter in the coppa. Dude is different class, but he's got to change his attitude as allegri says.
I think all the hype surrounding him has put tremendous pressure and he set the standards for himself too high to justify the price tag. I basically agree with you and he needs to handle it much better to reach the next level. But his issue is that he tries too much at a time, completely unneccesary stuff that he tries to pull off. Dribbling past 1 defender is perfectly ok, but proceeding further usually gets him in a tight spot, where he either can't make a pass anymore or gets dispossessed. I kinda feel bad for other players that found themselves in good position to be on the receiving end of the pass, that have run 50-60 meters and that consequently need to run back to cover for his mistakes.
The other part of the problem is his focus, he seems to wander off for parts of the game, lacks consistency throughout a single game. These will get better with age, will get polished :xfinger: but you can't learn to control the ball better, can't shoot better, can't pass better, can't dribble better, can't improve your vision, maybe some marginal improvements, but he's got genuine talent that sets him apart from majority of other players. Today he was mediocre, by his standards but still managed to give wonderful ball to Khedira and should have been given a penalty. That's a quality of top player in my books, poor game but you still have/could have had a big impact.
The other part of the problem is his focus, he seems to wander off for parts of the game, lacks consistency throughout a single game. These will get better with age, will get polished :xfinger: but you can't learn to control the ball better, can't shoot better, can't pass better, can't dribble better, can't improve your vision, maybe some marginal improvements, but he's got genuine talent that sets him apart from majority of other players. Today he was mediocre, by his standards but still managed to give wonderful ball to Khedira and should have been given a penalty. That's a quality of top player in my books, poor game but you still have/could have had a big impact.
He's really irritating to watch in some games, and you can see after about 15 minutes or so which games they are going to be. Usually they are the ones where he has so much time on the ball.
That thing he does where he basically stops dead and tries to fend two players off with his strength, too often now he just loses possession in an open area. By now you would have thought he would learn when to release the ball, because sometimes you can do a little trick and it looks amazing, but that's like 2 out 10 times now.
There's no doubting that he's a super talent but it's one thing being it and another being a consistently top player. He hasn't had as many top games as he should have. I think one problem is that he is taking on too much creative responsibility without having the maturity or maybe decision making to know how to handle it.
That thing he does where he basically stops dead and tries to fend two players off with his strength, too often now he just loses possession in an open area. By now you would have thought he would learn when to release the ball, because sometimes you can do a little trick and it looks amazing, but that's like 2 out 10 times now.
There's no doubting that he's a super talent but it's one thing being it and another being a consistently top player. He hasn't had as many top games as he should have. I think one problem is that he is taking on too much creative responsibility without having the maturity or maybe decision making to know how to handle it.
His defensive game is too weak to be pulling off shit like running into 3 players and trying to beat them all. Just pass the fucking ball. I can understand you're worried Khedira will get injured but you've always got Dybala and Marchisio to play off.
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Yea. Some truth in that too. He's not fired up enough for games like this one where he's started believing that we just need to show up to win. And when he's trying the things he does, you can see he genuinely thinks he can pull those moves off. Hopefully he sees the replays so he knows how to read games better when the ball is at his feet.
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Yea. Some truth in that too. He's not fired up enough for games like this one where he's started believing that we just need to show up to win. And when he's trying the things he does, you can see he genuinely thinks he can pull those moves off. Hopefully he sees the replays so he knows how to read games better when the ball is at his feet.
If that's the case he's in for a surprise when everybody labels him a flop. He better find a way to get fired up no matter if it's against a provincial team or one of the world's best.
In fact, great players by naturally being a talent above everybody else usually destroy minions without too much effort, he obviously is nowhere close to this. Not consistently anyway.
In fact, great players by naturally being a talent above everybody else usually destroy minions without too much effort, he obviously is nowhere close to this. Not consistently anyway.
