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How many minutes will he play for jj in 23-24 season?


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Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
:shocked: Wow, just wow!

Form and mentality were indeed part of the problem, but that is over simplification at its finest. We look clueless when plan A doesn't work, and even though we performed admirably against Madrid we only managed 1 point. They were the "inferior" team, one could argue, but they still managed 4 points against us. That is the hallmark of champions.

In Serie A, we can play like shit and manage to get results. In Europe we huff and puff and blow hot air, nothing!

Were form and mentality part of the problem? Yes!

Were they the only problem? No!

Do we need a plan B? Most definitely!

Do we need to be more menacing and attack at pace? Yes. In Serie A, we can get away with being slow and lethargic. In Europe, we need a more direct approach, and to pick up the pace. Our possession game isn't really menacing to anyone.

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We should sell that useless midget first, but other than that I agree.

I'd be happy to sacrifice Gio, Quag, and even Marchisio for one Verratti.
"plan b" is introducing a diffrent kind of player or moving a bit around in the lineup.

as for a complete formation change, we got a plan b. against real madrid

But need all Cm's fit for that. So we kinda need an extra one. Like Naingollan.

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Man imagine if we sold fringe players like Vucinic and Quag to buy Veratti.
then you would only need an extra 30 mil on fee's and 4 mil on wages
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,925
Our formation hasn't failed us, our play and attitude at times has failed us. Even last year against Bayern when we were destroyed by Ribery and Roben, we still did better against them than the other teams that played against them. Even the teams that played 4-3-3. To blame the formation is far too simplistic. I do however think that we may potentially need different players to get the best out of our formation but simply changing to a 4-3-3 will not be the answer to all our European problems
:tup:

People were blaming the 3-5-2 for our loss against Gala on the frozen kebab pitch as well. Like tactics and formations are important when you play in highly unusual and ridiculous conditions like that.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,925
Nah, we blamed the 3-5-2 for the first two games of the group.
I blame our poor finishing and insistence on long balls ( especially against Gala) not the formation.

How is the formation at fault against Copengahen in the first game? Go and look at the highlights of that game and see how many chances we created. We were foiled by a superhuman goalkeeper performance and terrible finishing.


Oh and the first three games of our CL campaign were played were at a time when our team was in poor form and were making horrible INDIVIDUAL (not team) mistakes.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
if 3-5-2 is such a great formartion like you and zach claim to be, how come not one single team that has made the CL final in the last 13 years used it?

the answer is because it's a limiting formation that gets the best out of no one.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
indeed.

how dare those peasant coaches actually use formations other than 3-5-2 to reach CL finals? what do they know? it's not like any of them won any titles, or get paid millions to do what they do, unlike our own armchair expert resident
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
if 3-5-2 is such a great formartion like you and zach claim to be, how come not one single team that has made the CL final in the last 13 years used it?

the answer is because it's a limiting formation that gets the best out of no one.
Oh, you dont know yourself ?

How many teams do have better wingbacks then wingers, and a better regista then advanced playmaker, AND how many teams have excellent box to box midfielders to top it off ?

None. But we do. Wich is why it makes perfect sense.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
no teams play with wingbacks because it's an almost extinct, awkward position that serves no tactical purpose and disrupts flow of teams in wide areas.

zach our wingbacks arent better that anyone else. to ilustrate, litch is a worse wingback than he is a fullack. that's how akward that position is.

fact: playing with a fullback and a winger will always beat playing with a wingback. simple separation of duties

also having a regista doesnt mean you can't play 4-3-3 or any other formation. zachy pls. same with box to box mids. I am not sure why you think that's an excuse not to play any other formation than 3-5-2.
 

kwadman

New Member
Apr 2, 2013
40
Hehehe you are really delusional or you must just be joking . Pogba for 60 , what next french winning the world cup. At this point Pogba is not worth at most 20million. Have you seen Freddy Guarin of inter , i'm a juve fan but that guy is the real deal and he isn't even worth 20million. Pogba is okay he is still growing , but this link up play is average, he can't turn a game around, yet like ramires, yaya toure or even Pirlo. He has been a force in the Seria , but lets admit it . There is something wrong with this league, it's so slow and conservative, its easy to look good. But in the Champions league , he didn't turn any game around. Players don't join teams because of names alone but also the tactical formation. Any offensive player would rather play for Martinez in Everton than Conte in Juve.

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If Zach has ever been on an actual football stadium , he would recognize that playing as a wingback is virtually impossible or extremely difficult. Why do you think Ronaldo Scores so much against Barca or did you realize how much Real could have won the first match in barcelona this year. Because when dani alves and the left back push forward ronaldo stay on the wings , benzema in the middle. and another player of the winger on a counter , it become 3 on 3 just like that , leaving mascherano , puyol and pique exposed to speed with no help. when is the wingback going to ever get back in time to help the central midlfielders. The funny thing is barcelona plays with four but their backs, play almost identical to wingbacks, and they have to play high pressure because they know how exposed they will get. 3-5-2 will get you know where bro. There is no underdog that wins with three defenders. It is possible if you had player 3 center Backs like Caceres. but not with bonucci ,chellini and barzagli .
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,000
Hehehe you are really delusional or you must just be joking . Pogba for 60 , what next french winning the world cup. At this point Pogba is not worth at most 20million. Have you seen Freddy Guarin of inter , i'm a juve fan but that guy is the real deal and he isn't even worth 20million. Pogba is okay he is still growing , but this link up play is average, he can't turn a game around, yet like ramires, yaya toure or even Pirlo. He has been a force in the Seria , but lets admit it . There is something wrong with this league, it's so slow and conservative, its easy to look good. But in the Champions league , he didn't turn any game around. Players don't join teams because of names alone but also the tactical formation. Any offensive player would rather play for Martinez in Everton than Conte in Juve.

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If Zach has ever been on an actual football stadium , he would recognize that playing as a wingback is virtually impossible or extremely difficult. Why do you think Ronaldo Scores so much against Barca or did you realize how much Real could have won the first match in barcelona this year. Because when dani alves and the left back push forward ronaldo stay on the wings , benzema in the middle. and another player of the winger on a counter , it become 3 on 3 just like that , leaving mascherano , puyol and pique exposed to speed with no help. when is the wingback going to ever get back in time to help the central midlfielders. The funny thing is barcelona plays with four but their backs, play almost identical to wingbacks, and they have to play high pressure because they know how exposed they will get. 3-5-2 will get you know where bro. There is no underdog that wins with three defenders. It is possible if you had player 3 center Backs like Caceres. but not with bonucci ,chellini and barzagli .
:rofl: :rofl:

If you prefer footballers with zero intelligence on the pitch, Guarin is among the very best. Inter are desperately trying to get rid of him. He's that good.
 

Art^

StrikerMania Champ 2004
Jan 11, 2003
2,905
Hehehe you are really delusional or you must just be joking . Pogba for 60 , what next french winning the world cup. At this point Pogba is not worth at most 20million. Have you seen Freddy Guarin of inter , i'm a juve fan but that guy is the real deal and he isn't even worth 20million. Pogba is okay he is still growing , but this link up play is average, he can't turn a game around, yet like ramires, yaya toure or even Pirlo. He has been a force in the Seria , but lets admit it . There is something wrong with this league, it's so slow and conservative, its easy to look good. But in the Champions league , he didn't turn any game around. Players don't join teams because of names alone but also the tactical formation. Any offensive player would rather play for Martinez in Everton than Conte in Juve.

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If Zach has ever been on an actual football stadium , he would recognize that playing as a wingback is virtually impossible or extremely difficult. Why do you think Ronaldo Scores so much against Barca or did you realize how much Real could have won the first match in barcelona this year. Because when dani alves and the left back push forward ronaldo stay on the wings , benzema in the middle. and another player of the winger on a counter , it become 3 on 3 just like that , leaving mascherano , puyol and pique exposed to speed with no help. when is the wingback going to ever get back in time to help the central midlfielders. The funny thing is barcelona plays with four but their backs, play almost identical to wingbacks, and they have to play high pressure because they know how exposed they will get. 3-5-2 will get you know where bro. There is no underdog that wins with three defenders. It is possible if you had player 3 center Backs like Caceres. but not with bonucci ,chellini and barzagli .
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
Oh, you dont know yourself ?

How many teams do have better wingbacks then wingers, and a better regista then advanced playmaker, AND how many teams have excellent box to box midfielders to top it off ?

None. But we do. Wich is why it makes perfect sense.
why is it so hard for you to understand that scoring goals is way more important than defending? you can't win anything with just defending, not even a half match like in trofeo tim.

boasting strong defense and organizations mean nothing if you can't outscore the opponent.
 

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