Paul Pogba (151 Viewers)

[zizinho]

I put him there exclusively because of Champion's League. He's always good there, I think he's something like 8th place all time with 45ish CL goals.

Hard man to place. I'd usually say Piggy is better, but that CL record is hard to ignore.

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That last bit is exactly it. Any of these guys is brilliant to have. Even that third tier with Aguero, Cavani, Aubameyang, etc is great.

Juve, Bayern, Barca, Real should all feel blessed to have these genius strikers in our sides still in their 20s. Suarez, Lewa, Higuain, Benzema. All of them 28 or 29.

cant ignore Benzema. guy has more assists than Higuain has goals in the CL and more than twice as many goals. one of the most consistent strikers past 10 years except for 2 seasons under Mourinho when he scored something like 15 goals (but also struggled with injuries iirc)

 

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[Hist]

In the french competition, where his team is ridiculously overpowering the weak competition, By winning it with 31 points clear.

Zlatan went from absolute worldclass, to topclass. It was clear in europe, 5goals in 10 games, and it was clear at the euro's were he wasent the one man army despite beeing in a very weak group aside from italy.

This isnt 13/14 zlatan anymore, who was king of the CF's. And this is me saying this, a big fan of Zlatan ever since he came here. Always have had a soft spot. But he's in decay.


In comparison, Higuain is in his absolute prime,and is the most clinical forward in the game currently, and the best suited to juventus.

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Zlatan is still top quality at 35. Which is saying alot tbh.

But he isnt that absolute worldclass n°1 CF he was in 13/14.

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As a powerlifter i can tell you that is completely normal. Pure strenght peaks at 35-38

Funny you should use those same words again
Are you implying that was not the most clinical striker in the game I dunno 4-5 years ago?

 

[The Quazis]

If Higuain is a big game choker so is Ibra.

 

[ZoSo]

If Higuain is a big game choker so is Ibra.

Messi (argentina), Robben etc..

 

[zizinho]

If Higuain is a big game choker so is Ibra.

Higuain is the king of chokers though

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or was, up until now

 

[Osman]

Never been that impressed by Benzema. Great at assisting and being a point man for more talented players, but Gonzalo (of the pet 2-3 years) is much more of a guarantee in terms of being a pure goal scorer. Benzema is obviously more technical and flashy than Gonzalo, so around here that wins him the flair and fancy award.

As a pure instinctive 9 and scorer, I allways defenitely rated Higauin higher and would prefer him for that role, and I very much doubt Benzema would be able to be the one man attack machine Higauin could fill in Napoli (not sure he can be the go to guy that does it all like that). But fact of the matter is, we are talking about top level strikers, and even if its partly circumstantial, we CANT deny that Higauin has been subpar in CL level while Benzema is possibly one of the younger forwards in CL level to have gotten to the top few scorer ratio as quickly as he did, outside the freaks that is Messi and Ronaldo. His consistenty in CL is great really (he also happens to have one of the most assists total there, what makes a different kind of player Higauin is), he does it without being the main guy, and he isnt scoring in big memorable CL finals, but the top level reliable player he has become in CL means for me he has defenitely proven more then Higauin there. Thats something Higuain needs to make up for alot, his proficiency as a player has solely been in domestic level in club level.

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Do you think Benzema is better than Higuain currently?

I dont think anyone here does, at worst similar level.

 

[ALC]

With Benzema, you have to remember that Ronaldo takes most of the chances. If he were in a different team, I think he'd absolutely put up big numbers.


That being said, fuck him, he's a cunt.

 

[Hængebøffer]

He's also playing for a team, which creates a massive amount of chances. No one knows if he would score like crazy for another team. But Higuain will have to do with us what he did for Napoli, before we can talk about him being one of the best.

 

[Maddy]

To choke or not to choke. That is the question.

 

[Ocelot]

Benzema is better for Real, Higuain better for us.

 

[Nzoric]

Benzema is better for Real, Higuain better for us.

Get off the fence

 

[Osman]

With Benzema, you have to remember that Ronaldo takes most of the chances. If he were in a different team, I think he'd absolutely put up big numbers.


That being said, fuck him, he's a cunt.

He scores 30 goals a season still, thats big enough numbers for most, despite playing for and with a hall of fame level scorer like Ronaldo.

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He's also playing for a team, which creates a massive amount of chances. No one knows if he would score like crazy for another team. But Higuain will have to do with us what he did for Napoli, before we can talk about him being one of the best.

And also deliver in Europe, thats the big question mark for him, thats what players and former players have recently said while heaping praise at him.

 

[Post Ironic]

As a pure instinctive 9 and scorer, I allways defenitely rated Higauin higher and would prefer him for that role, and I very much doubt Benzema would be able to be the one man attack machine Higauin could fill in Napoli (not sure he can be the go to guy that does it all like that). But fact of the matter is, we are talking about top level strikers, and even if its partly circumstantial, we CANT deny that Higauin has been subpar in CL level while Benzema is possibly one of the younger forwards in CL level to have gotten to the top few scorer ratio as quickly as he did, outside the freaks that is Messi and Ronaldo. His consistenty in CL is great really (he also happens to have one of the most assists total there, what makes a different kind of player Higauin is), he does it without being the main guy, and he isnt scoring in big memorable CL finals, but the top level reliable player he has become in CL means for me he has defenitely proven more then Higauin there. Thats something Higuain needs to make up for alot, his proficiency as a player has solely been in domestic level in club level.

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I dont think anyone here does, at worst similar level.

100% this.

 

[Alex-444]

@Lion sorry bitch klin cry every day

 

[Hust]

@Lion sorry bitch klin cry every day

 

[gg89]

Its a hard discussion to engage in, as the premis is ridiculous. Karim is a level below Cavani n Co, that much should ve obvious.

On a more general note, Ibra is a force of nature unlike any other striker out there. He has proved his worth in all of the top leagues bar PL (well on his way there) and he doesnt seem to be declining the slightest.

I don't know why Benzema is such an underrated player. IMO:

Tier 1: Suarez, Lewy, Benzema
Tier 2: Zlatan, Higuaín, Agüero, Aubameyang
Tier 3: everyone else

For what it's worth, Benzema is probably on e of the most important players in the world:

http://www.goalimpact.com/blog//2015/11/fifa-world-xi-by-goalimpact.html

(If you're going to critizice those rankings, please do take the time to review goalimpact's methodology. It's as good as it gets in statistical player comparison IMO).

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[Ocelot]

I don't know why Benzema is such an underrated player. IMO:

Tier 1: Suarez, Lewy, Benzema
Tier 2: Zlatan, Higuaín, Agüero, Aubameyang
Tier 3: everyone else

For what it's worth, Benzema is probably on e of the most important players in the world:

http://www.goalimpact.com/blog//2015/11/fifa-world-xi-by-goalimpact.html

(If you're going to critizice those rankings, please do take the time to review goalimpact's methodology. It's as good as it gets in statistical player comparison IMO).

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Benzema is much less of a goalscorer than Higuain, Ibra or Suarez. His main strengths are his link up play and creating space for others - with those abilities, he's extremeley important for Real, Ronaldo and Bale profit immensely from him (watch the semi against us for example, even a semi-injured Benzema made a huge difference to their overall teamplay). His goal.impact is therefore just as huge, but only at Real or a similar team.

What Juve needed the most however is primarily a goalscorer - and while Benzema certainly isn't bad in this regard, Higuain is better.

Overall, there's no reason to put them in different tiers at all.

 

[gg89]

Benzema is much less of a goalscorer than Higuain, Ibra or Suarez. His main strengths are his link up play and creating space for others - with those abilities, he's extremeley important for Real, Ronaldo and Bale profit immensely from him (watch the semi against us for example, even a semi-injured Benzema made a huge difference to their overall teamplay). His goal.impact is therefore just as huge, but only at Real or a similar team.

What Juve needed the most however is primarily a goalscorer - and while Benzema certainly isn't bad in this regard, Higuain is better.

Overall, there's no reason to put them in different tiers at all.

I agree completely with that (except the last line I just chose to reply cause Benzema gets unfairly underrated all the time.

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[Seven]

Cavani is shit, and has been irrelevant for 3 years now. Can't buy a goal if his life depended on it these days. Has been pathetic with PSG (even after Ibra left), and was absolute shit with Uruguay during the Copa (Suarez is the one that makes stuff happen for them).

Cavani of the past 2-3 seasons is Costa level at best, and nowhere near Higuain or the likes of Suarez and Lewandowski.

Didn't Cavani just score?

 

[Dostoevsky]

Didn't Cavani just score?

He can't buy a goal but he scored like 60 on 90 matches.