Paris 2024 Summer Olympics (19 Viewers)

[Seven]

Yeah lmao guy looks savage

No, just a little weird.

Like Trump.

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[GordoDeCentral]

Intersex or DSD is defined differently by different people.

You even have groups saying hypospadias is an intersex disorder. It is definitely not an intersex disorder and these people are simply 100 percent male and almost always identify as such. But given that it is the most common congenital disorder among men and it involves the genitals, it allows special interest groups to really ramp up the numbers.

Regardless there are real intersex conditions and whatever the percentage is, there are obviously quite a few people afflicted given that they are such a hot topic at the Olympics.

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I think the percentage is pretty relevant, especially if it's being inflated x1000's. And though i empathize with their affliction, the organizing bodys first and foremost priority is the safety of the participants.
There are 2 variable here: skill and strength. And even if the skill discrepancy is not significant of even inexistant, the strength discrepancy on its own can lead to dangerous outcomes. So though this algerian boxer is not a man when it comes to making babies, it's clearly a man when it comes to boxing and should not be competing with women.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I'm not watching this on loop... You are!

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Speaking of shooting @Osman did you see this uncle from Türkiye? He rawdogged it and still got a silver — so fire

Seriously that Turkish guy should be in a next major action movie, casual as fuck, what a legend!

 

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[Seven]

I think the percentage is pretty relevant, especially if it's being inflated x1000's. And though i empathize with their affliction, the organizing bodys first and foremost priority is the safety of the participants.
There are 2 variable here: skill and strength. And even if the skill discrepancy is not significant of even inexistant, the strength discrepancy on its own can lead to dangerous outcomes. So though this algerian boxer is not a man when it comes to making babies, it's clearly a man when it comes to boxing and should not be competing with women.

There are few enough to exclude them from women's sports.

I know it's brutal. In most cases they grew up as women and they can't help it. But it takes away from the vast majority of female athletes and unfortunately protecting that majority should be the first goal.

I just wanted to point out that it's not like a one in a billion problem. In absolute numbers there are quite a few people born with these conditions.

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[Enron]

There are few enough to exclude them from women's sports.

I know it's brutal. In most cases they grew up as women and they can't help it. But it takes away from the vast majority of female athletes and unfortunately protecting that majority should be the first goal.

I just wanted to point out that it's not like a one in a billion problem. In absolute numbers there are quite a few people born with these conditions.

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Did some quick reading.

So turns out home girl has 9 losses and only four knockouts. Fought in the Tokyo Olympics and made the quarterfinals. For an amateur that’s mediocre.

Obviously the added test probably helps on some level but are we as an audience overreacting to the situation? Shes no Ivan Drago.

 

[Seven]

Did some quick reading.

So turns out home girl has 9 losses and only four knockouts. Fought in the Tokyo Olympics and made the quarterfinals. For an amateur that’s mediocre.

Obviously the added test probably helps on some level but are we as an audience overreacting to the situation? Shes no Ivan Drago.

You can't just look at the results and deduct from that. Results are meaningless, because you're comparing with the most talented boxers on Earth. It'd be like saying you cannot possibly be doping, when you are outrun by Noah Lyles. That's not how it works.

You'd have to compare her with herself on less testosterone (which is an impossible comparison to make).

 

[Enron]

You can't just look at the results and deduct from that. Results are meaningless, because you're comparing with the most talented boxers on Earth. It'd be like saying you cannot possibly be doping, when you are outrun by Noah Lyles. That's not how it works.

You'd have to compare her with herself on less testosterone (which is an impossible comparison to make).

I understand your point. But….

Aren’t results the only things that are meaningful when it comes to sport?

 

[Seven]

I understand your point. But….

Aren’t results the only things that are meaningful when it comes to sport?

Yes, but we're talking about elite sports. This is the Olympics.

The fact that she's competing is a result in itself. You only get there by already having beaten opponents.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I understand your point. But….

Aren’t results the only things that are meaningful when it comes to sport?

What would be the solution? Allow men to fight women as long as they have a bad score?

 

[IliveForJuve]

Poor lady. It must be horrible to have everyone talking about you like that.

@Siamak Would you smash?

 

[icemaη]

What would be the solution? Allow men to fight women as long as they have a bad score?

She has female genitalia, and can theoretically get pregnant. So are you saying men can get pregnant?

 

[Kopanja]

Poor girl is going to get dragged through the mud even though she did nothing wrong.

 

[icemaη]

Poor girl is going to get dragged through the mud even though she did nothing wrong.

It's fucked up. You have people like the man running for president of the US calling her a man. Their kind say gender is binary and what's in the pants matter, so it should be easy for them to say she's a woman. But no, they have to make it a political talking point and their followers lap it up. It's the same everywhere.

 

[Dostoevsky]

She has female genitalia, and can theoretically get pregnant. So are you saying men can get pregnant?

I meant generally. Not based on that match alone.

 

[icemaη]

And oh, the IBA banned her based on tests they refuse to divulge the details of while confirming they didn't take a testosterone test. Make that make sense.

 

[icemaη]

I meant generally. Not based on that match alone.

I don't think E was alluding to that though.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I don't think E was alluding to that though.

And I was not even mocking by the way. It was an honest question lol

 

[Seven]

She has female genitalia, and can theoretically get pregnant. So are you saying men can get pregnant?

Not sure if you're still talking about Imane Khelif, but if she has a true intersex disorder it's very unlikely she is able to get pregnant.

 

[Kopanja]

It's fucked up. You have people like the man running for president of the US calling her a man. Their kind say gender is binary and what's in the pants matter, so it should be easy for them to say she's a woman. But no, they have to make it a political talking point and their followers lap it up. It's the same everywhere.

Yep, that's sad. Poor girl. She is not the best boxer I've seen, far from that, but I am going to root for her.