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Not really, the average Muslim society is right there with the rest of the world. from the students doing well in school to people participating in their communities.

the problem is the extremists, and the hypocrites that has fucked everything up for the rest of your average muslim. It doesn't help then that the media labels all the muslims under the same light.
Sorry for that, that really wasn't what I was trying to say. I meant that the practice of the Muslim religion currently is similar to how Christians practiced/represented their religion in the past, more extremistic and less tolerant towards other ways of living. And yes, I do realize that extremists are a big minority.
 

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I want some information here, is it the caricatures from the newspaper a few years ago or is there something new now?
 

Eddy

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Sorry for that, that really wasn't what I was trying to say. I meant that the practice of the Muslim religion currently is similar to how Christians practiced/represented their religion in the past, more extremistic and less tolerant towards other ways of living. And yes, I do realize that extremists are a big minority.
100% True. Christians would have done the same thing 500 years ago but not anymore in this generation. Religion is slowly fading away.
 

Martin

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I want some information here, is it the caricatures from the newspaper a few years ago or is there something new now?
They decided to reprint them recently after a plot was intercepted to kill one of the cartoonists who participated.
 

ReBeL

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That's pretty ridiculous. In the other thread you told everyone to mind their own business, didn't you? How are you minding your business about a paper in Denmark you neither read nor have any connection to?
What I said in the other thread is:

"You don't have to choose a side in elections hundreds of kilometres far away when all the candidates have the same agenda regarding your case". That's it.

It's so different from what I'm saying here. Simply, I say we can face such a stupid abusal of "what's so called frredom of speech" of the Danish government using so simple tools like boycotting the Danish products and closing the embassies.

I can only say that your decision to boycott, while I have nothing against it, is just plain silly. Danish companies selling stuff somewhere in the world have no affiliation with some news paper and no amount of boycotting of Danish products will change what the paper is printing. As a matter of fact, you might as well boycott all Norwegian companies too, because I'm defending them here. And right now I live in Holland so boycott Dutch products too just to be on the safe. Do you not see how utterly ineffective this is?
Look. I'm not talking about a reaction by only one person. The whole idea of boycotting their products is somehow organized in many Islamic countries. The group boycotting can lead the affected companies to try to understand the reasons behind this and try to change something in their country. You may see this as a silly thing but we see it as the least thing we can do for our symbol.
 

Bjerknes

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You cant judge an entire country from the actions of a few thousand idiots.
Of course not, but with every level of extremism comes a lesser level of extremism that is based on the same views.

They decided to reprint them recently after a plot was intercepted to kill one of the cartoonists who participated.
:howler: :howler: :howler:

They should be given the Nobel Prize.
 

Martin

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The thing is,as an Atheist,a person ends up thinking that you have all the right on the world to criticize people who do believe in God.So if you're going to judge religion by the same barometer as everything else,then why change it for anything else?if you're going to sue a paper that swore at your mother,then a muslim,jew,hindu,chirstian etc should have the right to sue a paper that swore at someone important from his religion.No?If taking acting against someone who swears at someone close to you is Ok,then taking action against someone who swears at someone from your religion that you respect immensley should be Ok too.
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Bear in mind,im not a hardline muslim.I dont do half the things a proper muslim should do.But i find it odd that a person who belives in God,be it a muslim or a christian,has to face so much criticism simply because he reacts when someone pokes fun at something dear to him.
You are misreading this. Just in case it's not completely obvious, let me say it once and for all: Noone is criticizing the fact that Muslims are feeling hurt by the cartoons. ALL of the criticism goes to the fact of how exaggerated the response was. To use your favorite example again, if I insulted your mother and you went completely crazy and threatened to kill me, that means you may be clinically insane and you need to check yourself into a mental institution.

That's what the cartoons were. A test. A test to which we knew the outcome, just not the precise magnitude. A test the test-taker failed miserably.

Noone is saying we should constantly print pictures of Mohammed just because we're evil. We're saying that if some crazy nut with no respect for other people should decide to do that, it should be possible to do that without causing an uproar because we're all civilized people. That's what we're saying.

What's more, we NEED tests like these to tell us important things about our society. Just like we need Inter fans on this forum every once in a while to test if we can interact with people of a different opinion in a civilized way.
 
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    Of course not, but with every level of extremism comes a lesser level of extremism that is based on the same views.

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    Though luckily,that level of extremists do not blow up buildings and people for random fun.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't understand what you're trying to say here.

    You are misreading this. Just in case it's not completely obvious, let me say it once and for all: Noone is criticizing the fact that Muslims are feeling hurt by the cartoons. ALL of the criticism goes to the fact of how exaggerated the response was. To use your favorite example again, if I insulted your mother and you went completely crazy and threatened to kill me, that means you may be clinically insane and you need to check yourself into a mental institution.

    That's what the cartoons were. A test. A test to which we knew the outcome, just not the precise magnitude. A test the test-taker failed miserably.
    I get your point now.I was under the impression that you think its comletley absurd of muslims to be offended by the cartoons.
     

    JCK

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    This thread is going no where, I see so many hurtful comments to people, why is this still open?
    The Danes won't get hurt if they know that someone in Iraq has stopped buying Lurpak or when some Kuwaiti wanted to buy the latest Bang & Olufsen but opted for Pioneer later.
     

    ReBeL

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    The Danes won't get hurt if they know that someone in Iraq has stopped buying Lurpak or when some Kuwaiti wanted to buy the latest Bang & Olufsen but opted for Pioneer later.
    You maybe right, but to the person in Iraq or Kuwait, it means so much. And it's better to go that route instead of using violence.
     
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