Oh Sh*t, Here We Go (5 Viewers)

[Osman]

That you're possibly putting your life in danger.



It's not that straightforward. Do you think we should not have an army then? Just hope nothing happens?

What's not straight forward? You said it's noble, what's noble about? I know about the general practicality of having a standing army. But if you join, willingly, desperately or just suckered, doesn't matter, but if you join an army of a country that attacks and invades others, then no its not noble. Just the paid gunmen of a nation furthering is global wide interests.

I know how powerful patriotic manipulation is, but it's baffling to actually suit up and invade another county and think you are protecting your freedoms or home.

 

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[Nzoric]

I agree that there is too much money going to the army. But voluntary service will always be better than mandatory imo. And I give props to the guys who volunteer. I know not all of them are good guys/girls but the majority of people I've met who have enlisted have been great people.

Why would you give props to someone who is signing up to actively participate in a war? A war that has no justification (if justification for war can be found at all, this certainly doesn't have it). Why give him props? The guy working in a factory for 50 hours a week to provide a living for his family deserves infinitely more props than the soldier.

 

[Klovn]

His reply to my numbers is even better, a CIA intelligence analysis agent couldn't derive a point from it

Funny guy he is.

 

[Hust]

*You are either with us, or against us*

So you disagree with him? I can see the anger towards the US military for civilian deaths, etc. But why is it, correct me if I am missing some points with the amount of posts being made here, but why is it not frowned upon with suicide bombers and terrorists recruiting kids in poor areas and brainwashing them to strap a bomb to their chest and "INTENTIONALLY" kill innocent people?

 

[Martin]

I agree that there is too much money going to the army. But voluntary service will always be better than mandatory imo. And I give props to the guys who volunteer. I know not all of them are good guys/girls but the majority of people I've met who have enlisted have been great people.

Are you impressed by the fact that they merely volunteer? If you volunteer for something should you not also consider what it is you're volunteering for?

If you're living in Iraq and there's an invasion of your country in progress, then I could possibly grant this argument. If on the other hand you're volunteering for an army that performs these invasions what then?

 

[Hust]

Are you impressed by the fact that they merely volunteer? If you volunteer for something should you not also consider what it is you're volunteering for?

If you're living in Iraq and there's an invasion of your country in progress, then I could possibly grant this argument. If on the other hand you're volunteering for an army that performs these invasions what then?

Depends who is president, I suppose? Clinton was against it then and had a long peace time under his tenure, would it not be noble to sign up then? You never know what actions in the world will call a military into action.

 

[IrishZebra]

So you disagree with him? I can see the anger towards the US military for civilian deaths, etc. But why is it, correct me if I am missing some points with the amount of posts being made here, but why is it not frowned upon with suicide bombers and terrorists recruiting kids in poor areas and brainwashing them to strap a bomb to their chest and "INTENTIONALLY" kill innocent people?

Because some people like to think that violence is a balance-sheet.

 

[Nzoric]

So you disagree with him? I can see the anger towards the US military for civilian deaths, etc. But why is it, correct me if I am missing some points with the amount of posts being made here, but why is it not frowned upon with suicide bombers and terrorists recruiting kids in poor areas and brainwashing them to strap a bomb to their chest and "INTENTIONALLY" kill innocent people?

That has not been the point of my posts, at least. I'm trying to equal the evils, not justify either side. I like to think that I've made that point blatantly clear several times.

 

[Martin]

Depends who is president, I suppose? Clinton was against it then and had a long peace time under his tenure, would it not be noble to sign up then? You never know what actions in the world will call a military into action.

So if Clinton is in power and you do not anticipate any wars because he's a peaceful guy then enlisting is noble because you think you're never going to be in any danger?

 

[Nzoric]

Oh and just to add to the point: Clinton did participate in a bombing campaign, some could even say he took the initiative.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Because some people like to think that violence is a balance-sheet.

In the end violence is never the answer yet our world and it's realities always tend to go that route. That's what happens when the world rotates around money

 

[Martin]

In the end violence is never the answer yet our world and it's realities always tend to go that route. That's what happens when the world rotates around money

Do you have another suggestion?

 

[Nzoric]

In the end violence is never the answer yet our world and it's realities always tend to go that route. That's what happens when the world rotates around money

BULL SHIT!

You ran out of poor arguments and now you're trying to appeal to the greater public with that half arsed humanistic gobshite (IZ reference).

 

[Hust]

So if Clinton is in power and you do not anticipate any wars because he's a peaceful guy then enlisting is noble because you think you're never going to be in any danger?

If he is elected on November 1st, guaranteed a 4 year term and I enlist that day, knowing my military term is also a full 4 years then yeah, you could and get away with it. Let's say hes reelected for a 2nd term...knowing his past policies won't change you have a fresh young bunch joining the cause.

Not a great example, but its still valid I suppose.

 

[IrishZebra]

In the end violence is never the answer yet our world and it's realities always tend to go that route. That's what happens when the world rotates around money

Maybe, can't agree to a blanket ban.

 

[Martin]

If he is elected on November 1st, guaranteed a 4 year term and I enlist that day, knowing my military term is also a full 4 years then yeah, you could and get away with it. Let's say hes reelected for a 2nd term...knowing his past policies won't change you have a fresh young bunch joining the cause.

Not a great example, but its still valid I suppose.

Yes, but we're discussing this at the level of your individual strategy. As in: how can I best use the system to my advantage? What interests me is this pretension to nobleness. Where does that come from?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

BULL $#@!!

You ran out of poor arguments and now you're trying to appeal to the greater public with that half arsed humanistic gobshite (IZ reference).

That's not bs it's true. Realistically though it doesn't work. The point is speaking ideally doesn't solve global problems

 

[Hust]

Yes, but we're discussing this at the level of your individual strategy. As in: how can I best use the system to my advantage? What interests me is this pretension to nobleness. Where does that come from?

Would you say that joining an Allied military during WWII against the Nazi's was noble? Or would you be OK with just letting the bad guys expand until they are satisfied?

 

[Osman]

Would you say that joining an Allied military during WWII against the Nazi's was noble? Or would you be OK with just letting the bad guys expand until they are satisfied?

Why are you arguing like you are 12 year old?

 

[Martin]

Would you say that joining an Allied military during WWII against the Nazi's was noble? Or would you be OK with just letting the bad guys expand until they are satisfied?

No, I wouldn't. I don't think killing for any reason could ever be noble. It's a contradiction in terms, or at least my terms. Necessary perhaps, noble no.

But why did you have to go to WW2? Are you trying to say that it matters what the army you're joining is actually involved in?