Oh Sh*t, Here We Go (7 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

Yes I am. And you're clinging to examples that suit your incredibly fragile point, I'm just making the argument that they both suck equally. I think that logic is on my side

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Why does the promise of riches and a better life make it any more right? Most hit men get rewarded once their job is done.

That's an illogical statement because iris your opinion not FACT that they both suck equally

 

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[ALC]

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Why does the promise of riches and a better life make it any more right? Most hit men get rewarded once their job is done.

Joining the army was never wrong to begin with.

Do you think I'm against education? Let's fund some education and job programs then, so people aren't so desperately hopeless in life that the only thing they can do to help themselves is join the army. Deal?

It just works out better for some people, what can I say? Should no one join the army, according to you?

 

[Nzoric]

Dude, they have Cronios. I won't wish that on my worst enemy!

The only thing that could stop American meddling in the Middle East was if Cronios got hired in some PR role. He'd just sit next to the general 24/7 repeating the same sentences until the man would break down crying and just make him the boss

 

[Hust]

If they find out they're going to Iraq they can quit the military, can't they? Isn't that better than killing people when that's against your principles?

Not that simple. Once you enlist, you have to see out your term unless superiors authorize you to leave your duties.

I think.

 

[Cheesio]

AC, what do you call what US marines were doing in Abu Gharib prison ??

Defending your country ??

 

[Nzoric]

That's an illogical statement because iris your opinion not FACT that they both suck equally

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lians-killed-in-Iraq-war-over-five-years.html

90.000 over the first 5 years, civilians . They both suck, equally.

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Not that simple. Once you enlist, you have to see out your term unless superiors authorize you to leave your duties.

I think.

Or you can refuse to go and spend jail time and face hefty economic reprisals. Any person with self respect would obviously pick the second one.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Joining the army was never wrong to begin with.



It just works out better for some people, what can I say? Should no one join the army, according to you?

Yes they seem to believe that armies are inherently evil and shouldn't exist but in reality it's needed

 

[AndreaCristiano]

AC, what do you call what US marines were doing in Abu Gharib prison ??

Defending your country ??

No not at all and people who abuse their power are evil no matter what or where they are

 

[Nzoric]

Yes they seem to believe that armies are inherently evil and shouldn't exist but in reality it's needed

Yo, reply. Don't skip. 90.000 innocent souls being sent to meet their destiny, the people who put them there aren't as bad as those who killed 3000 in 9/11 ? 90.000

 

[AndreaCristiano]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lians-killed-in-Iraq-war-over-five-years.html

90.000 over the first 5 years, civilians . They both suck, equally.

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Or you can refuse to go and spend jail time and face hefty economic reprisals. Any person with self respect would obviously pick the second one.

Yes I'm sure you would. You talk like your a moral authority yet I don't think you would do any of your bs you spew

 

[ALC]

Not that simple. Once you enlist, you have to see out your term unless superiors authorize you to leave your duties.

I think.

Pretty much. No one wants a discharge that's not honorable.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yo, reply. Don't skip. 90.000 innocent souls being sent to meet their destiny, the people who put them there aren't as bad as those who killed 3000 in 9/11 ? 90.000

That doesn't change the fact that it's an opinion and not a fact that they are equally bad

 

[Martin]

It just works out better for some people, what can I say? Should no one join the army, according to you?

I want to unpack this idea of yours that "serving your country is noble".

First you say that it's not so bad because most people don't actually end up in combat so they just stay in the army for a while, get the benefits, and get out. Ie. they are getting a state funded job and an education while polishing state funded weapons and getting trained to use them. So how is this any different from other social spending and what makes this a "service" to your country exactly?

In the second case they are actually in combat trying to kill people. In Iraq, which is not remotely attempting to invade America. So again, what's noble about it?

 

[icemaη]

I'm off to bed. But before I go let me just say

 

[Nzoric]

Yes I'm sure you would. You talk like your a moral authority yet I don't think you would do any of your bs you spew

Reply to my point, please.

When the time comes and I have to prove my moral standpoints I'll do my very best. My life is not worth more than any other innocent civilian, especially when the price for not heading overseas to kill is spending time in jail and paying back money.

 

[Osman]

Someone has to serve and protect. What do you suggest, no armies? We don't live in a utopia.

What do they protect? Their land, their homes? From who? Nothing but being the aggressors and invaders post world war 2. The patriotic mantra is one thing, but surely defending your country or freedom rhetoric becomes hallow when has no bearing whatsoever in reality. Reminds me of how the Romans justified their aggression.

 

[Nzoric]

That doesn't change the fact that it's an opinion and not a fact that they are equally bad

It's an opinion that 90.000 civilians died over the first 5 years of the war?
@AndreaCristiano

 

[Cheesio]

No not at all and people who abuse their power are evil no matter what or where they are

So, why the US aren't invading Israel if they care about the good of people in the world, vetoing every decision taking against them in the UN, they have massive destruction arms, they are killing civilians, even americans yet they are under the wing of the us. You don't find thiis hypocrite at all ?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's an opinion that 90.000 civilians died over the first 5 years of the war?
@AndreaCristiano

No but it is an opinion that they are equally evil

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So, why the US aren't invading Israel if they care about the good of people in the world, vetoing every decision taking against them in the UN, they have massive destruction arms, they are killing civilians, even americans yet they are under the wing of the us. You don't find thiis hypocrite at all ?

You act as though Palestinians aren't killing Israelis ?