OFFICIAL: Christian Poulsen to Juve (20 Viewers)

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sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Marchisio can help he is basically a CM with exp on going forward
and possibly Giovinco can help too, in a centered role,
also our wingers Neddy and Camo are capable of having central roles




a 4-3-3 would make sense, we brought no wingers, we have too many quality forwards, it could work and we have the proper tools!
This would solve many of our creativity problems, Amauri, DP and IAq would be very efficient that way!
We wont have to endure those desperate long balls,
we wont be all that predictable, cause we will threaten from both sides and the middle.
Our team would be more spectacular/pleasant to watch,
which is smth our board supposedly aim for...
Not sure if we still need Poulsen, but if we use 2DMs, we could use him as depth...
The system does not necessarily dictate the change in style of play. A lot will be depending on the 3 players in the midfield and how they receive the balls from back and link with the forwards.

You can play long balls with any system it depends on the individuals in place and the instructions they get.
 

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Sad Statue

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Mar 28, 2006
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What kind off supporters are you when you talking in such a negative way.
Mogi is the reason why we ended up in seria b and lost millions of supporters , sponsors, money, players.
This new Juve, its not the same from Capello days in regards of players, but still managing to play as a team even more than before..

In terms of players are you retarded or just behaving like ones, as you should know that our financial situation does not permit us of getting players mentioned above.

And please don't talk about firing someone, just because you are not happy, if you dont have anything else to write, just read ....at least it will not take so much space..

Let us be more positive, season is not even started , i am sure we shall get few more players.
I am a supporter that want to see juve playing great ball. I wanty to see juve being a good team again and going well in the CL. I wont start saying that Poulsen is a good player and is what we need just because we will sign him...

And of couse we have the money. Last year we spend 13 mil on Tiago and 8 on Almiron. If we had given them for a better player, we definetly would be mich more stronger...

I am trying to be optimistic bud don't you see that we are buing a lot of average players????

And for what i said about mogi, i want not mogi of course but someone like mogi. Someone who can sign players. The guy signed Vieira with a small amound of money when Real gave a lot more. I want someone like him now.

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I'm agree with you too! That's what I trying to say in last 2 months but some guys here still believe in Gigli and Secco and they are too Optimistic!Maybe they have become Juve'fan recently because they dont remember old Juve and our previous transfers! But with Secco you only get Knezevic, Boumsoung, Bojinov, Molinaro, Almiron and ...Poulsen!

Inter is looking for Lampard, Quaresma, Mancini
Milan is looking for Adebayor, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho and Eto'o
Real is Looking for C. Ronaldo, Huntelaar, Kaka
Barca is Looking for Hleb, Adebayor, Trezeguet
Man U is Looking for Huntelarr, Berbatov
Chelsea is Looking for Deco, Kaka, Torres
Liverpool is looking for Villa, Barry

and we want Knezevic and Poulsen and Melberg!

And don't say Giovincio, Marchisio and De Caglie are Secco's cause it is not and we all know that he wanted to offload Giovincio, Chiellini and Iaquinta before!

He also tried to sell Palladino and Cristico to Genoa permanently and for Amauri, with that kind of money and plus Nocerino and Landzfame it wasn't too difficult!
agree 100%
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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That's the problem, do we have a better team: so many of the team from last year who played best are the mainstay of this, and they are aging...
oh comon Giovinco, Amauri, Marchisio, DC ,Melberg, Andrade ( he is like a new player) ...
they are all improvements over players like Palla, Mollinaro
you can diss the board all you want but if don't believe we got better then you are simply narrrow-minded
you need to change your tune
we don't have the perfect team far from it but if you don't think we improved...
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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Three forwards implies more opertunistic play. We could skip the midfield and hope one of the many forwards does something. Hence longball play is very possible(maybe even likely) still. Having said that, we didn't play the longball tactic anymore in the second half of last season.
 

Adrian

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Jan 31, 2003
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If Gio is one of the 3 upfront, then he can drop back into the hole and carry the ball from a deeper position in between the mids and forwards. I would rather see this than long balls.
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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Three forwards implies more opertunistic play. We could skip the midfield and hope one of the many forwards does something. Hence longball play is very possible(maybe even likely) still. Having said that, we didn't play the longball tactic anymore in the second half of last season.
you think Ajax play the long ball?
you were right if you say that a tactic doesn't change the intention but then you make the same assumption
if we gonna play 4-3-3 it will depend on the strength of our midfield how we will play
if this is the case I think Tiago will be given another chance as a creative factor
yogether with Giovinco although he can play as a LF as well
it sure would open up a lot more possiblities
it would howerever be a mistake if you skip the midfield when you have midgets like Giovinco and DP up front
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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but Their 4-3-3 is very different.

The implied Ranieri 4-3-3, uses three forwards (two support strikers and one centre forward), two defensive midfielders and one hardworking creative midfielder (Nedved or Camoranesi).

As opposed to Ajax (ideal system, they couldn't get it right for years now due to poor players being bought), with one controlling midfielder and two creative midfielders behind two WINGERS and one centre forward. It's a very player dependant system though, very fragile when the correct players arent at disposal.

Ajax' system creates width upfront, while the midfield controls the ball and flow the play. While Ranieri's play would see the three forwards ( I could even imagine, Ranieri fielding dp or giovinco in the 'hole' behind the forwards) move into the middle into the box. While the midfield is very robust and is there to breakup play, as opposed to ajax' creative play.
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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oh comon Giovinco, Amauri, Marchisio, DC ,Melberg, Andrade ( he is like a new player) ...
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Thay worry me, I must admit.

Andrade, let's hope.
at least we can't be any weaker
you have to agree on that, we haven't lost anyone
and we added three of the most promising Italian youngsters to our squad
why don't you believe we got stronger?
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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but Their 4-3-3 is very different.

The implied Ranieri 4-3-3, uses three forwards (two support strikers and one centre forward), two defensive midfielders and one hardworking creative midfielder (Nedved or Camoranesi).

As opposed to Ajax (ideal system, they couldn't get it right for years now due to poor players being bought), with one controlling midfielder and two creative midfielders behind two WINGERS and one centre forward. It's a very player dependant system though, very fragile when the correct players arent at disposal.

Ajax' system creates width upfront, while the midfield controls the ball and flow the play. While Ranieri's play would see the three forwards ( I could even imagine, Ranieri fielding dp or giovinco in the 'hole' behind the forwards) move into the middle into the box. While the midfield is very robust and is there to breakup play, as opposed to ajax' creative play.
I never meant that we would play the same 4-3-3 as Ajax or Barca or whatever
all I'm said was that this wouldn't mean the long ball
if we play the long ball it would make players like DP and Giovinco practically redundant
their strong point is technique
I think it would be more like a 4-3-1-2
with Gio behind the two strikers and a3 cm
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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inevitable? no but you believe this is the last year for all of them at the same time?
I believe Nedved is near the end but Camo? Trez? Del Piero? and Zanetti might have a tough nut to crack with whoever comes
that is a very bleak point of view, not a very cheerful person are you?
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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The system does not necessarily dictate the change in style of play. A lot will be depending on the 3 players in the midfield and how they receive the balls from back and link with the forwards.

You can play long balls with any system it depends on the individuals in place and the instructions they get.
Indeed, hopefully we will use the long balls when we counter attack only and try and keep the possession and play with small and safe paces when we are carefully building up our game.
We should at least have more options, i do not condemn long balls as a swift offensive solution, but we must have an alternative plan to become less predictable,
having many strong and pacy forwards playing wide, gives as more chances to find alternative routes to their box.
In some certain cases our adversaries were holding back with superior numbers and our only chance, was hopeless long balls, now with more forwards in their box, our chances to direct penetration opens and we have more and better alt solutions!
Its a reason to be jubilant, i guess!
It would be wiser to decrease the long balls, because playing with 3 mids its too risky,
if we lose possession, we let them counter attack us easily, abusing their wings.
Our wing backs are not bright cross makers and our creative forwards are good enough, powerful and skillful enough to get the job done when they face a similar quantity of opponents, even Treze will be more useful in their box when he will have 2 players to support him.
Even without the long balls our efficiency would be doubled and since we are not equipped properly, to use them, i think/hope they will be not favored anymore!
And even if our coach is stupid enough to insist on them, we will have an alternative solution for the first time in the last decade!!
 

Luftwaffles

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Dec 1, 2005
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I have every confidence that Claudio will get the tactical strategy right. Thankfully he is now beginning to get his message across to Secco/Blanc/Gigli as regards the players to bring in and I'm confident that by 31/7 we will have 4 quality arrivals.

Bearing in mind that we have Giovinco and Amauri, now Poulsen and soon Ivanovic and possibly Drenthe to add to Camoranesi, Sissoko, Chiellini,Trezegeut, Delpie, Buffon and Mellberg. I see a brighter future than most it seems.
 

DiDoz

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Jun 23, 2007
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About 4-3-3
Last year Ranieri also wanted to play 4-3-3, but it didnt work because DP doesnt like playing wide, while Nedved and Camo prefer playing as wingers (though Camo is great in the middle)

About long balls, I never found long balls efficient, it's an obsolete inefficient ugly technique, and can you tell me who can play long balls?? Sissoko or Poulsen?? please dont say Tiago
 

Sad Statue

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Mar 28, 2006
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I have every confidence that Claudio will get the tactical strategy right. Thankfully he is now beginning to get his message across to Secco/Blanc/Gigli as regards the players to bring in and I'm confident that by 31/7 we will have 4 quality arrivals.

Bearing in mind that we have Giovinco and Amauri, now Poulsen and soon Ivanovic and possibly Drenthe to add to Camoranesi, Sissoko, Chiellini,Trezegeut, Delpie, Buffon and Mellberg. I see a brighter future than most it seems.
4 arrivals??????

I hope for something like that but i can't see it happening. Our board simply doesn't want to give 18 mil for Xabi and all these players cost a lot more. Honestly i don't think we need Ivanovic. Our defence is full and if andrante is healthy we will see some nice competiton. Drenthe is a good player but he plays in Real and the will ask for many money...

I Think that now our priority would be someone like Xabi or Diego or VDV. We don't need to spend our money in 6 average players. Its better to spend it in 2 good. I realy think we need a very creative force in the midfield. We have realy good strickers and we need someone to ply between the midefielers and the strickers.

I think that we need now only 1 world class player who can create game like Alonso or Diego or VDV...
 
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