Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Thread (37 Viewers)
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I won't talk about the first goal. Yes, it was, quite clearly, offside. But that's not important. What is important is Roberto Donadoni, who deserves no better than to die on the spot.
Do not play Materazzi. That was all I wanted before the game, thinking that of course he would play De Rossi and Grosso.. But that he would play Materazzi, Ambrosini, Panucci and Di Natale at the same time is inexplicable to me. He should resign.
There is simply nothing to say about this game apart from the fact Donadoni is one horrible coach. Probably the worst I've ever seen. You cannot field a team filled with second string payers against Holland..
This fiasco is 100% Donadoni's fault. And I don't like blaming coaches, but this is awful.
Do not play Materazzi. That was all I wanted before the game, thinking that of course he would play De Rossi and Grosso.. But that he would play Materazzi, Ambrosini, Panucci and Di Natale at the same time is inexplicable to me. He should resign.
There is simply nothing to say about this game apart from the fact Donadoni is one horrible coach. Probably the worst I've ever seen. You cannot field a team filled with second string payers against Holland..
This fiasco is 100% Donadoni's fault. And I don't like blaming coaches, but this is awful.
perhaps the one good thing is, perhaps if we play 4-4-2 in the next game. the romanian coach wont expect this and will tinker his squad against a 4-3-3 italy ...
for me de rossi is a must, because besides clumsy tackles that lead to freekicks for the dutch side gattuso really added nothing ... he needs a break to regain fitness
for me de rossi is a must, because besides clumsy tackles that lead to freekicks for the dutch side gattuso really added nothing ... he needs a break to regain fitness
Gattuso and Ambrosini are to be blamed for the humiliation. This was like a replay of the matches Milan played against Sampdoria and Atalanta when Gattuso-Pirlo-Ambrosini gave the midfield to their opponents and managed to stop 1 attack out of 10.
Whoever played as CB for Italy tonight the Italians would have lost, simply because the cb's were exposed all the time. But Matrix and Barzagli made things much easier for the Dutch.
Another thing i noticed was how slow the Italians were running back when Holland countered after a FK or CK for Italy. Just take a look at the second goal and try to find Panucci, Materazzi and Barzagli. Di Natale and Gattuso were the only ones in Italian box. It was similar for the third goal and in few more counter attacks.
Luckily for the Italians they don't play a team similar to Holland in the group. This same formation and these same players can even work well against Romania. However, i expect Donadoni to change few things.
Whoever played as CB for Italy tonight the Italians would have lost, simply because the cb's were exposed all the time. But Matrix and Barzagli made things much easier for the Dutch.
Another thing i noticed was how slow the Italians were running back when Holland countered after a FK or CK for Italy. Just take a look at the second goal and try to find Panucci, Materazzi and Barzagli. Di Natale and Gattuso were the only ones in Italian box. It was similar for the third goal and in few more counter attacks.
Luckily for the Italians they don't play a team similar to Holland in the group. This same formation and these same players can even work well against Romania. However, i expect Donadoni to change few things.
Zambrotta was alright on the right. In any case Italy's only hope right now is that Alex and Cassano have some tricks up their sleeves.
Players most at fault were Materazzi-Barzagli and Ambrosini and Di Natale. Although Ambrosini couldn't really help it, he just dismantled Italy's structure from within.
Materazzi-Barzagli was an awful choice. Awful! Playing Panucci ahead of Grosso proved to be wrong as well. Donadoni got it wrong.. every single choice he had to make he fucked up. You would have been a far better coach and so would I have. This clown should be sacked tomorrow and banished from Italy.
Vergognati!
Players most at fault were Materazzi-Barzagli and Ambrosini and Di Natale. Although Ambrosini couldn't really help it, he just dismantled Italy's structure from within.
Materazzi-Barzagli was an awful choice. Awful! Playing Panucci ahead of Grosso proved to be wrong as well. Donadoni got it wrong.. every single choice he had to make he fucked up. You would have been a far better coach and so would I have. This clown should be sacked tomorrow and banished from Italy.
Vergognati!
Imagine if Donadoni called Legro when Cannavro was injured, and then field a CB partnership that's been playing together all season, it's not perfect but definately better than any partnership Italy has at the moment with the current players..
That what should happen:
Buffon
Zambo Gamberini Chiellini Grosso
Camo De Rossi Pirlo Perrotta(yes he played on the left in WC)
Toni Del Piero
That what should happen:
Buffon
Zambo Gamberini Chiellini Grosso
Camo De Rossi Pirlo Perrotta(yes he played on the left in WC)
Toni Del Piero
First of all,Donadoni is a douchebag. Mancini looks like a great coach next to him. When I saw that joke of a formation I just wanted to puke right in Donadoni's face. How on earth can you play a goddamn 35 years old Panucci over Grosso? Panucci is way past it and he doesn't deserve to be with the azzurri at all,even Oddo or Zaccardo would have been by far better choices. I believe he just took Panucci to the Euros because of his goal against Scotland.Retarded.
As if fielding Panucci isn't stupid enough, he even managed to pick the worst CB partnership in the history of the Italian NT. Materazzi-Barzagli?C'mon Roberto, you can do better than that!Oh wait,you can't because you are retarded. Gamberini and Chiellini should be our starting centerbacks without a shadow of a doubt,every sane person realizes that,except our very own Donadoni
The midfield aka the chokers of Milano were the weakest part of the squad in my books. Pirlo is a worldclass player when on form but he was just a tired bastard running around like a headless chicken,totally off-form like the whole season at Milan. Gattuso just barked at the referee and...did nothing. Ambrosini was the best out of the three but still he is and always will be nothing more but average. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11. Despite,how on earth can you left out De Rossi,who arguably had the best season out of the midfielders?I don't get it...
The attack was horrible,just like the whole squad. Camoranesi wasn't the Camo we know,he barely did anything good. Toni was playing like he did in the early stages of his career,horrible. Where is the Toni that scored over 40 goals for Bayern this season? Di Natale was just as horrible as the other two chokers.
All in all,the whole team sucked including Buffon,which says a lot. The subs were the best players on the pitch which says a lot aswell.It is a shame for Italy but still I'm confident that we can win the other two matches if Donadoni changes his choker-11.
Congratulations to Holland,you totally deserved to humilitate Italy. Special mention to the horse aka van Nistelrooy who didn't fall when Buffon "touched" him,that was fair play at its best.
Since there has been posted a lot of formations I won't bother posting one. Just take out the whole defence except Zambrotta and put in Grosso,Gamberini and Chiellini,take out ambrosini and start with De Rossi and let Del Piero do his magic instead of Di Natale.
As if fielding Panucci isn't stupid enough, he even managed to pick the worst CB partnership in the history of the Italian NT. Materazzi-Barzagli?C'mon Roberto, you can do better than that!Oh wait,you can't because you are retarded. Gamberini and Chiellini should be our starting centerbacks without a shadow of a doubt,every sane person realizes that,except our very own Donadoni
The midfield aka the chokers of Milano were the weakest part of the squad in my books. Pirlo is a worldclass player when on form but he was just a tired bastard running around like a headless chicken,totally off-form like the whole season at Milan. Gattuso just barked at the referee and...did nothing. Ambrosini was the best out of the three but still he is and always will be nothing more but average. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11. Despite,how on earth can you left out De Rossi,who arguably had the best season out of the midfielders?I don't get it...
The attack was horrible,just like the whole squad. Camoranesi wasn't the Camo we know,he barely did anything good. Toni was playing like he did in the early stages of his career,horrible. Where is the Toni that scored over 40 goals for Bayern this season? Di Natale was just as horrible as the other two chokers.
All in all,the whole team sucked including Buffon,which says a lot. The subs were the best players on the pitch which says a lot aswell.It is a shame for Italy but still I'm confident that we can win the other two matches if Donadoni changes his choker-11.
Congratulations to Holland,you totally deserved to humilitate Italy. Special mention to the horse aka van Nistelrooy who didn't fall when Buffon "touched" him,that was fair play at its best.
Since there has been posted a lot of formations I won't bother posting one. Just take out the whole defence except Zambrotta and put in Grosso,Gamberini and Chiellini,take out ambrosini and start with De Rossi and let Del Piero do his magic instead of Di Natale.
I actually think this game was a slap in the face for Donadoni, and it's a good thing. He needs to wake up, and this was the only way for that to happen. Of course it's not good to lose the first game, but at least it gives the team time for improvement, whereas if this was past the group stage, they'd be going home.
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