Official: Almiron to Juve (16 Viewers)

Stu

Stu

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Ahmedios said:
I said it before millions of times, I still hate to say it though: "It is easier to travel to the moon more than travelling to Liverpool to get Gerrard".

Actually, all the causes you mentioned make sense, but the most important one is him being a legend in Liverpool. As for the other causes, learning another language wouldn't be that hard, giving the fact that football as a sport itself is an international language. Also, not playing in the champions league only for one season isn't that big issue, he won it before. Still not playing in Europe is a sacrifice, nevertheless.
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Learning another language isn't hard but it's unnecessary. Juve isn't a bigger club than Liverpool so why would Gerrard leave? Not playing in the CL for one year isn't that big of a deal but why would you do that when you know for a fact you can play CL football right where you are, or at another club that can probably give you a higher salary.
 

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Ahmedios

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Stu said:
Learning another language isn't hard but it's unnecessary. Juve isn't a bigger club than Liverpool so why would Gerrard leave? Not playing in the CL for one year isn't that big of a deal but why would you do that when you know for a fact you can play CL football right where you are, or at another club that can probably give you a higher salary.
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I agree with you. That's why I said that it is an impossible mission.
 
Bjerknes

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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sateeh said:
i know i could seem like a negative person for focusing on that but I believe a central midfielder should always do a bit more than his fair share in working hard even if its a simple closing down the opponents and helping out the other(s) in the midfield.Mybe that could be changed if he comes here
And I dont like players that don't work hard generally
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Veron was never really a hard worker, and neither are many deep-lying playmakers. While this fact might seem very negative, you cannot really expect such players to go all out and win every ball because it's not really in their personal job description. I know full well that midfielders should probably be the hardest working players on the pitch, but for deep-lying playmakers they want the ball at their feet because that's when they're the most effective and to be honest they don't always have the stamina to track all over the pitch when they're also trying to find a position to receive a pass from the lesser skilled players on the pitch.

I've seen Almiron play several times and while he doesn't seem like a hard worker, he still tries hard to make himself available for his fellow players and also comes back quite a lot. Place a hardworking defensive midfielder next to him and we have a good combination in my opinion.
 

Ahmedios

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Juan Sebastián Verón has been one of the most hard working midfielders I've ever seen, in spite of his slow moving style and swaying towards the slow tempo and thoughtful game; Italian style of play. I remember after the Argentina vs England match in the World Cup 98, two urine samples were taken from Veron after he ran more than 20 km in 120 minutes. Despite the fact that he isn't a pure defensive midfielder, his defensive endeavors can't be denied, plus, distributing the ball all around especially with his accurate long passes, a thing which indeed has been his most apparent talent.

Veron can sometimes be considered a deep-lying playmaker, therefore, not a lot of hardworking should be expected. Actually, handling him a more attacking or a more defensive role is related to the player whom Veron plays alongside. For example, if Gattuso is Veron's partner, the latter isn't expected to defend that much, the contrary is expected if there is another centre midfielder (attacks and defends) partnering him.
 
AngelaL

AngelaL

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Ahmedios said:
Juan Sebastián Verón has been one of the most hard working midfielders I've ever seen, in spite of his slow moving style and swaying towards the slow tempo and thoughtful game; Italian style of play. I remember after the Argentina vs England match in the World Cup 98, two urine samples were taken from Veron after he ran more than 20 km in 120 minutes. Despite the fact that he isn't a pure defensive midfielder, his defensive endeavors can't be denied, plus, distributing the ball all around especially with his accurate long passes, a thing which indeed has been his most apparent talent.

Veron can sometimes be considered a deep-lying playmaker, therefore, not a lot of hardworking should be expected. Actually, handling him a more attacking or a more defensive role is related to the player whom Veron plays alongside. For example, if Gattuso is Veron's partner, the latter isn't expected to defend that much, the contrary is expected if there is another centre midfielder (attacks and defends) partnering him.
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He's also got a nasty streak and a penchant for butting opponents!
 

neurosis21

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Jun 22, 2004
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gerrad is not gonna leave liverpool,they just went to their 2nd CL final in 3 years,they got a good team,hes treated perfectly n the fans love him
why leave?
 
sateeh

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Andy said:
Veron was never really a hard worker, and neither are many deep-lying playmakers. While this fact might seem very negative, you cannot really expect such players to go all out and win every ball because it's not really in their personal job description. I know full well that midfielders should probably be the hardest working players on the pitch, but for deep-lying playmakers they want the ball at their feet because that's when they're the most effective and to be honest they don't always have the stamina to track all over the pitch when they're also trying to find a position to receive a pass from the lesser skilled players on the pitch.

I've seen Almiron play several times and while he doesn't seem like a hard worker, he still tries hard to make himself available for his fellow players and also comes back quite a lot. Place a hardworking defensive midfielder next to him and we have a good combination in my opinion.
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Its not a big ask to perform some basic covering.The best example imo would be either pizzaro in Roma and Pirlo.Both deep lying midfielders and especially the former works his heart out.And its tackles or anything all the times it just closing down and sometimes marking the other teams midfielders. Thats my version of any midfielders.
But mybe we were spoiled by players like Neddy I guess.
 
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