No countries,No Religion = The World a Better Place? (3 Viewers)

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

My point is that you can't say that religion is the only reason for violence around the world...

And living without religions won't make it safer ever...

And let me remind you that you're living in the country that bombed the highest number of civilians in the history of the mankind without any fear of religion or anything else...

Yea, we were quelling religious problems between two factions.....


IT wouldn't hurt anything......


Of course religion is not the ONLY reason for violence, but it is one of the larger reasons....

Okay, what are the other REAL reasons then.....I bet religion is the biggest.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

the real question would be what about a world without metaphysics? All inferences preceded by sense functions "i see the sun rising" now thats been the debate of much of the 20th century

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I've got a religion and I'm not killing people either.

Yes, but that is just the point, persons with and without religion are just that, PEOPLE, they are neither better for or worse off because of religion.

And you can only say this if you have lived under both worlds. I've been held under a semi-religious tone before and it was a joke and I hated it.

So don't say something about how my point is invalid because I've never had religion, because I bet you have never lived without yours.

 

[Jem83]

I just think that basically you have good people and bad people, within religious circles and outside them. Some people are good and some are bad and that's just the way life is. Reasons for violence? Some people don't need a reason for violence. It just happens. It's like chewing on a burger or excrementing for some people, it comes natural, and it will never go away.

For naturally violent people, religion can be a way for them to channel that rage. It can also, for other people, and this is how it is for most people, prevent these people from doing wrong. All I know is that Gamla Vet, and that we should put our faith in her.

Gamm!

 

[ReBeL]

Yea, we were quelling religious problems between two factions.....


IT wouldn't hurt anything......


Of course religion is not the ONLY reason for violence, but it is one of the larger reasons....

Okay, what are the other REAL reasons then.....I bet religion is the biggest.

Greed to control the whole world is the ony real reason that leads to all the other factors...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

the real question would be what about a world without metaphysics? All inferences preceded by sense functions "i see the sun rising" now thats been the debate of much of the 20th century

Forget metaphysics, what about just plain physics?

Car gets better grip on ice, things fall up, i can push something of greater mass and i get no opposite reaction....

Now that would be killer...

 

[Jem83]

Forget metaphysics, what about just plain physics?

Car gets better grip on ice, things fall up, i can push something of greater mass and i get no opposite reaction....

Now that would be killer...

 

[Bjerknes]

The Christian Serbs killed thousands of Muslim Croats and Bosnians.

That doesn't count. The Yugoslav People's Army was the military force of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The key word here is socialist... so you cannot really state their ethnic cleansing attemps were because of their Christian beliefs. Rather, those Serbs were people who disagreed with the break up of their socialist state and the presence of the Muslim Bosnians and mostly Catholic Croats. They wanted everybody to be a Serb, not a Christian per se.

This way of thinking is very much related to the tolerance discussion I brought up. And in actuality, their thinking is somewhat like yours, hence the parallels I referred to earlier.

Million of Jews were killed because they were Jewish, they were killed because they were Jewish....

... by people who really didn't have their own religion in mind while obliterating them. Hence another example of the intolerance of human nature.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Forget metaphysics, what about just plain physics?

Car gets better grip on ice, things fall up, i can push something of greater mass and i get no opposite reaction....

Now that would be killer...

thats actually exactly my point when we start talking about abstract things which we cannot relate to physics and such, disagreement takes shape.

look up wiener kreis, you ll understand

 

[ReBeL]

Some people don't need a reason for violence. It just happens. It's like chewing on a burger or excrementing for some people, it comes natural, and it will never go away.

I don't think so...

There is no violence just for the sake of it...

It CERTAINLY has a reason, and that's one of the problems of the western media: They broadcast the news of an explosion somewhere, but they don't look for its reasons often. After a while, some people in the West start to think that people in other parts of the world are not natural people just like them, and they tend to see some of them as Draculas who want nothing but violence without any reason...

 

[Ahmedios]

OKAY SEE IF YOU CAN FOLLOW, IT IS A VERY BASIC PRINCIPLE!

The Christians killed hundreds of thousands during the Spanish Inquisition, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE CHURCH OR QUESTIONED IT!

The Christian Serbs killed thousands of Muslim Croats and Bosnians.

Million of Jews were killed because they were Jewish, they were killed because they were Jewish....

SHIITES AND SUNNIS KILL each other because of their differences with religion.....

Northern Ireland and Irish kill each other through terrorist tactics because they were disagreeing with each other's religion.

DO YOU GET MY POINT???

Did you read the rest of my post? I think that I've clarified lots of the examples that you are keeping on mentioning them just to prove that you have lots of information regarding that issue. Even though, I'll keep on with you.

Jews, if you mean the holocaust, so you are talking about another well exaggerated myth. I know that the Nazi holocaust existed but to say that there were 5 millions Jews killed in it, this is the myth. What is more, this event was unique in the ancient and modern history, I mean for a person to loathe a specific group of people and trying to excute them all, it was weird. Hitler isn't a clear example to talk about especially here. Furthermore, this isn't the question really? Did you even ask yourself before about the real causes behind such loath? Did you read Hitler's own diary? If you read, I think that you can answer me, however, I'm against any sort of racial or ethnic discrimination.

Excuse me, who told you that Shites and Sunnis killed themselves, it is just laughable to talk genearlly without mentioning a specific event. The point here is that they are different explanations and how to apply them. And if there was some past clashes, so these had to be some closed minded greedy leaders (Sorry for talking generally).

Ironically, you are looking at a religion, whatever this religion is, as being a strict law that you can't even be discussed. To look at a certain point in any religion thinking that this is the point on which this religion was built and to start hating it just for misunderstandings, which haven't any roots, is just ridiculous.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Greed to control the whole world is the ony real reason that leads to all the other factors...

Okay, but that is unrealistic because people would revolt.....

So yea people would die, but it would be a quick problem and then the cou could be put down.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

That doesn't count. The Yugoslav People's Army was the military force of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The key word here is socialist... so you cannot really state their ethnic cleansing attemps were because of their Christian beliefs. Rather, those Serbs were people who disagreed with the break up of their socialist state and the presence of the Muslim Bosnians and mostly Catholic Croats. They wanted everybody to be a Serb, not a Christian per se.

This way of thinking is very much related to the tolerance discussion I brought up. And in actuality, their thinking is somewhat like yours, hence the parallels I referred to earlier.



... by people who really didn't have their own religion in mind while obliterating them. Hence another example of the intolerance of human nature.

but in this instance what made a serb a serb?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That doesn't count. The Yugoslav People's Army was the military force of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The key word here is socialist... so you cannot really state their ethnic cleansing attemps were because of their Christian beliefs. Rather, those Serbs were people who disagreed with the break up of their socialist state and the presence of the Muslim Bosnians and mostly Catholic Croats. They wanted everybody to be a Serb, not a Christian per se.

This way of thinking is very much related to the tolerance discussion I brought up. And in actuality, their thinking is somewhat like yours, hence the parallels I referred to earlier.



... by people who really didn't have their own religion in mind while obliterating them. Hence another example of the intolerance of human nature.

Both of these examples go hand in hand with what I am talking about...neither the Jews nor the Muslims or Catholics would have been massacred if they were not Jewish, Muslim or Catholic.

Specifically the Jews.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Did you read the rest of my post? I think that I've clarified lots of the examples that you are keeping on mentioning them just to prove that you have lots of information regarding that issue. Even though, I'll keep on with you.

Jews, if you mean the holocaust, so you are talking about another well exaggerated myth. I know that the Nazi holocaust existed but to say that there were 5 millions Jews killed in it, this is the myth. What is more, this event was unique in the ancient and modern history, I mean for a person to loathe a specific group of people and trying to excute them all, it was weird. Hitler isn't a clear example to talk about especially here. Furthermore, this isn't the question really? Did you even ask yourself before about the real causes behind such loath? Did you read Hitler's own diary? If you read, I think that you can answer me, however, I'm against any sort of racial or ethnic discrimination.

Excuse me, who told you that Shites and Sunnis killed themselves, it is just laughable to talk genearlly without mentioning a specific event. The point here is that they are different explanations and how to apply them. And if there was some past clashes, so these had to be some closed minded greedy leaders (Sorry for talking generally).

Ironically, you are looking at a religion, whatever this religion is, as being a strict law that you can't even be discussed. To look at a certain point in any religion thinking that this is the point on which this religion was built and to start hating it just for misunderstandings, which haven't any roots, is just ridiculous.

I read that and nothing more. I disagree twice:

9 million people died, 6 million Jews, and the reast were Eastern Europeans, Blacks, Gypsies, and persons who otherwise did not follow the Nazi view.

So if you really think the holocause was exaggerated, I hope you get car bombed.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Both of these examples go hand in hand with what I am talking about...neither the Jews nor the Muslims or Catholics would have been massacred if they were not Jewish, Muslim or Catholic.

Specifically the Jews.

no actually you took the wrong angles, the german jews and subsequent jews in the reich would not have been persecuted if not for the financing of the british war effort against the germans in the first world war; which obviously is not the direct reason for the armistice but it makes for a hell of a political rallying point

 

[Jem83]

no actually you took the wrong angles, the german jews and subsequent jews in the reich would not have been persecuted if not for the financing of the british war effort against the germans in the first world war; which obviously is not the direct reason for the armistice but it makes for a hell of a political rallying point

Hitler would have gone after the jews no matter what

1) they rejected him at the Arts Academy

2) his sick mother's doctor was a jew, when she died..

how were you gonna "we jews are nice" to that mofo in that mindstate?

he was mental and shouting and ejaculating, you've seen the clips...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

no actually you took the wrong angles, the german jews and subsequent jews in the reich would not have been persecuted if not for the financing of the british war effort against the germans in the first world war; which obviously is not the direct reason for the armistice but it makes for a hell of a political rallying point

What?

The Jews, no matter their nationality, would still have been persecuted.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Hitler would have gone after the jews no matter what

1) they rejected him at the Arts Academy

2) his sick mother's doctor was a jew, when she died..

how were you gonna "we jews are nice" to that mofo in that mindstate?

he was mental and shouting and ejaculating, you've seen the clips...

Exactly....

 

[Ahmedios]

It is a good point, you dunce, religion has nothing to do with how people act in society.

Look retard, to say that religion has nothing to do with how people act in society is another ridiculous point. You are an atheist, you can't even give any sort of sane opinion about whether the religion can do that or can't.

How old are you? Don't say that you were a believer before and you knew a lot about your religion but after a long time of thinking, I decided what is better for my life....Did you read your own religion before?

A religion is controlling everything in your life, your manners, your relationships, your aims.....So, please, try to speak about yourself.

NO YOU GUY, YOU ARE MISSING MY POINT....

RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY!

And o be honest, more people are bombing each other over religious differences than Athiests are, MAIN!

Really?!!!

And what about the Palestinians who bomb themselves daily?