Nicolò Fagioli (83 Viewers)

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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I also don't blame them for being unable to sell Rabiot but a dime has been spent in midfield. Pogba. And our young players have been given chances, I just think its not as cut and dry as some would think.

Fagioli has Serie B experience for one year. Does he look promising? Yes.

But let's be honest. Are we thinking short-term or long-term? What is more valuable TO FAGIOLI: stay at Juventus, fight for minutes, and end the year with 1500-1800 minutes in midfield or go to a club he is familiar with and play the entire year in Serie A as a 21 year old and come back to a Juventus squad without Rabiot ready to fight for a starting position?

There is a balance to this and there is a correlation for most players between minutes and development. Fagioli looks decent and his potential looks promising. But we're fighting in the present and his potential might be better served starting EVERY match in Serie A and that can be accomplished elsewhere. Because it won't be accomplished here. And, like you said, although he shows promise and seems decently good now, Allegri sees him every day in training and as well as the rest of the training staff, coaching staff, and management. It is crystal clear to everybody we need a difference maker in midfield. So if everybody with more information than us is willing to send him somewhere to get minutes maybe that's what he needs. Right?

And I don't think it will be the same fuckery, I really don't. We aren't starting the season with Kean at CF. Just the movement and presence of Vlahovic alone has already shown there will be less pressure on our midfield. Pogba (when healthy, dear god be healthy) will provide a difference and probably take the Rabiot role. We will have Di Maria who has already shown his worth even in the formation we want (something Dybala struggled to do unless the formation became about him). There is a lot to like about where we are headed.

And yes it is discouraging that we are more stationary in midfield than not this offseason. But that is simply a financial decision we HAVE to make right now. The SwissRamble tweets are a great source to understand this. As nice and easy as it is to say bench Arthur and Rabiot and banish them to the u23s, if they can play for the team they must. We must. We have made this bed and we must sleep in it for now.

Rabiot will be gone soon. Sandro will be gone soon. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Yeah, I think 16 to 20 starts at Juve compared to Cremonese again won't be bad for Fags, in addition to actually being useful for Juve. However, only time will tell if he's good enough for Serie A. I'll bet he is and there will be times we wish we had him.

Same fuckery again as in seeing Rabiot-Loca-Zakaria/McK again when Pogba is making use of his unlimited personal time off.

Nah, it's not a must to play Rabiot because he's here. It's a choice.
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I would keep Fagioli over Miretti since he is the most creative of the lot, and can step in for Pogba when he's injured. But hey, Rabiots not so bad.
Rabiot is definitely so bad. I don’t want to see him again. He’s maybe not worse than current Mckennie or Zakaria, but he’s paid twice or three times as much, which is a joke.

I want us keeping Fagioli and Miretti. Both are more attacking than any CM we have not named Pogba. Maybe they aren’t good enough yet, but I think we’d all like to see them in competitive matches before deciding that. If Fagioli can get ~1500 minutes here, he absolutely should stay. If he’s going to get below 1000, then he should be loaned however disappointing that is.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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So are we gonna just ignore that Fagioli actually asked Juventus not to go on loan again for him to accept an extention ?
Yeah, if that was a condition I cant see them breaking it. Besides, what's stopping him from just flat out saying no? He'd have every right to refuse, they cant force him to leave. Now if he changed his mind thats different but I cant see him being enthused to get sent out on loan again, even if it meant more playing time. Management not being able to dump the deadwood is not his problem. And hes homegrown, so hes not even really taking up a spot.
 

Espectro

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Yeah, if that was a condition I cant see them breaking it. Besides, what's stopping him from just flat out saying no? He'd have every right to refuse, they cant force him to leave. Now if he changed his mind thats different but I cant see him being enthused to get sent out on loan again, even if it meant more playing time. Management not being able to dump the deadwood is not his problem.

To be honest if I were Fagioli and Juventus come now less than two weeks from agreen the extention (wich means they agree not loaning him) and say "Yeah we lied... we are sending you on loan" my response would be... "yeah fuck you... I will not go on loan, sell me if you want to send me away"
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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To be honest if I were Fagioli and Juventus come now less than two weeks from agreen the extention (wich means they agree not loaning him) and say "Yeah we lied... we are sending you on loan" my response would be... "yeah fuck you... I will not go on loan, sell me if you want to send me away"
Yeah I just cant see management intentionally pissing Fagioli, and maybe more importantly his agent, off like that. Breaking promises and pissing off agents is no bueno. And his agent is already on record saying he cant go on loan for another season

 

Karim30

Allegri is back, life is back.
May 6, 2012
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Pogba + at least one of Fagioli, Rovella, Miretti.

I still think/hope we keep two.

It’s pretty clear Allegri was fine with Rabiot being shipped out and wasn’t the super fan of the French pussyfag that some made him out to be. Hopefully that reflects in how we use him this year. Last year pretty much all our midfield options were rubbish aside from Locatelli. I’m hoping he gives our youngster(s) some consistent playing time.
If we loan two instead of one and get rid of Arthur (it will happen imo but on deadline) then we are also getting Paredes whom I am not very keen on but since it's Allegri's request so be it

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Btw, on a technical level if I must keep one between Arthur and Rabiot I would definitely keep the Frenchman. Ideally I would sell both but evidently that's easier said than done.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Yeah I just cant see management intentionally pissing Fagioli, and maybe more importantly his agent, off like that. Breaking promises and pissing off agents is no bueno. And his agent is already on record saying he cant go on loan for another season

Pissing agent off, no big deal, we won't be going for any of his players anytime soon.
 

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Rockets

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Jul 26, 2022
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So the question boils down to: 1500 mins for Juve and 3000 mins for a Serie A midtable team, which one helps more to bring our youngster's potential into full play?:think:
 

duranfj

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Jul 30, 2015
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So the question boils down to: 1500 mins for Juve and 3000 mins for a Serie A midtable team, which one helps more to bring our youngster's potential into full play?:think:
What about the question is Miretti actually better? Could Fagioli be more useful than a lot of our “veteran” MF players cuz he actually knows how to pass the ball?
 

JuelzSantana

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Sep 28, 2017
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Whether we like it or not the reality is Juve aren’t sending players who earn 5-7m to the stands. If Arthur stays he’ll be reintegrated just like Rabiot.

If Arthur leaves and Paredes comes. The backups to a Pogba-Paredes-Locatelli mid would be Rabiot-Zakaria-McKennie. Rovella/Fagioli/Miretti would basically be backups to our backups despite the injury concerns. As someone mentioned earlier, they’ll keep the youngest who’ll complain the least, which is Miretti. Simple as that.

Also whether we like it or not Allegri favours experience over youth. Fagioli/Rovella will both turn 22 next year, they need regular playing time now. There’s no point keeping them here to play the odd coppa tie, ride out 3-0 leads or meaningless league games at the end of the season. We all would’ve played them over Rabiot/Arthur, but we’re not the coach.
 

spurdo

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Jun 4, 2016
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So the question boils down to: 1500 mins for Juve and 3000 mins for a Serie A midtable team, which one helps more to bring our youngster's potential into full play?:think:
I think the question is if we need a quality midfielder or not to play in favor of shitmids like Rabiot and Arthur. I think the time to consider Fagioli as yet another primavera kid who needs to be constantly loaned out over, he's well established already and would definitely be of use for us.
 

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