Nick Against the World (61 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Bonera is the real deal nevermind the naysayers....I prefer Oddo but the age thing makes Bonera a wiser choice. Juve need to stop letting the Nesta's and Cannavaro's slip by them and lock in a dominating Italian defender....sorry but to me Zambro is still one of the best Italian MID-FIELDERS (on the flanks) in the world..actually all midfielders and its a waste to put him at D where he is obviously not at ease.

I really agree with that. I am tired of seeing Moggi pass on the best Italian defenders, saying that we "already have enough good defenders". I am not too sure about Bonera though; watching him put the ball off his own crossbar a couple of weeks ago makes me worry. I think Ferrari might be a little bit better.

What do you think about Matteo Ferrari Nick?

 

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[IncuboRossonero]

Fabi:

Yes I have been to Tarrytown...not far from where I am from: New Rochelle. Once dated a girl from White Plains which is close to Tarrytown. Any particular reason?

Andrea:

Ferrari is a bit older but thats not really a big diff. (two years I think)..more physical than Bonera but I think Bonera could really grow in a big team....I don't think Ferrari would pull a Legrotagglie at Juve either BUT I'd put my money on Bonera...
Its almost sure Juve will sign one of the two. If I were Moggi I would clean house though..Montero, Iuliano much like Milan is doing with Laursen and Redondo.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Fabi:

Yes I have been to Tarrytown...not far from where I am from: New Rochelle. Once dated a girl from White Plains which is close to Tarrytown. Any particular reason?

Im gonna move to either Tarrytown or Boston for six months and I have no idea how Tarrytown is... Is it a big place?

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

Andrea:

Ferrari is a bit older but thats not really a big diff. (two years I think)..more physical than Bonera but I think Bonera could really grow in a big team....I don't think Ferrari would pull a Legrotagglie at Juve either BUT I'd put my money on Bonera...
Its almost sure Juve will sign one of the two. If I were Moggi I would clean house though..Montero, Iuliano much like Milan is doing with Laursen and Redondo.

That sounds like a good plan. I think I would add Pessotto to that list as well though. I think his time is about up for giving what he can to the team. I say bring in maybe Parrisi or some good Italian LB from another Serie A team; not many of those to choose from though.

About Bonera or Ferrari, it just depends on the plans of Moggi. Now since we signed Zebina, I find it hard to believe that Bonera will be coming this summer, unless, that is, if Thuram is sold. I have a feeling that Ferrari will be ours, while Roma might get Mexes. I think I would rather have that switched around, with us getting Bonera and Mexes. Another player I have a feeling Juve will buy is Per Kroldrup, just because of the relationship between Moggi and the Udine officials.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


Im gonna move to either Tarrytown or Boston for six months and I have no idea how Tarrytown is... Is it a big place?

Personally I'm not a big fan of Beantown (Boston) ... Everytime I went it had a dreary feel to it. Tarrytown is clean, cute and close enough to Manhattan (pretty quick ride to Grand Central: many live in Tarrytown and work in Manhattan and commute via train every day). Living in Manhattan could be a real pain in the arse at times .. its a constant headache to run the most simple errands: buying food, etc.
Anyhow either one seems like a great experience.

 

[Dragon]

OK, but is it like a small town or like a city? Because I dont wanna be stuck in Nowhere, USA but I dont wanna live in Manhattan either because its too expensive and too crowded, but I dont wanna be stuck in a small town... I hope you know what I mean

 

[The Pado]

Fabi, it's a small suburban city. It is so close to Manhattan that all of the television and radio stations come out of NYC, most of the people in Tarrytown work in NYC, and when you go out to clubs or shopping you probably go to NYC. It is not in the middle of nowhere, and you will not be bored. I used to visit that area once a month years ago and I remember it as being very nice.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Fabi, it's a small suburban city. It is so close to Manhattan that all of the television and radio stations come out of NYC, most of the people in Tarrytown work in NYC, and when you go out to clubs or shopping you probably go to NYC. It is not in the middle of nowhere, and you will not be bored. I used to visit that area once a month years ago and I remember it as being very nice.

Yeah but you were also drunk :cheesy:
and looking for sheep

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Fabi, it's a small suburban city. It is so close to Manhattan that all of the television and radio stations come out of NYC, most of the people in Tarrytown work in NYC, and when you go out to clubs or shopping you probably go to NYC. It is not in the middle of nowhere, and you will not be bored. I used to visit that area once a month years ago and I remember it as being very nice.

Thanks for the info

but are there places to go out? malls? Im used to live in a big city so I dont want to have a drastic change...

If you were a 17 years old foreign student, would you choose Boston or Tarrytown?

 

[Bjerknes]

Nick, Serge, and Pado: I have an important question for you guys.

Do you think that the EPL is the best League in the World?

I personally do not think so. One of my biggest pet peevs on this subject is that so many people in the U.S. believe that the EPL is by far the best League in the world. I say how could it be? Only one English team has played in the Champions League Final in the past 17 years; Man U, who were actually even lucky to win it. And having Arsenal go undefeated in the EPL really puts icing on the cake. Is the League so bad that no one can beat a team like Arsenal? While Arsenal lost at home to a team in disaray in the C.L., namely Inter. I'm perplexed with how so many people think the EPL is the best.

 

[The Pado]

Andy, I am with you. I believe that the Spanish league is the world's best. I think Italy had the best by miles during the 1990's, but was passed up by Spain around 2001. I am entertained by the fast pace of the English Prem, but I would only rank the EPL Third best, behind Spain and Italy.

Living in the USA, we get a steady diet of EPL and the media only want to cover England, mainly because of the common language. The US media is already deathly afraid of all things foreign, add in a different language and they will pretend it does not exist. It is getting better in that today the average American knows that there is a soccer league in England. A few years ago we were led to believe there was only a soccer team in England, and it was called Manchester United.

It sucks, but at least some of us can cut through the B.S.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Pado..Andrea..

NO SALE. I have had this arguement over and over again with many Liga faithfuls and I am not nor will I be convinced (anytime soon) that Serie A is second to anyone...especially La Liga.
There is the famous saying about New York "If you can make it there..you'll make it anywhere."
So true about Serie A as well. Defense and midfield are on a different planet in Serie A..the tactic, strategy and vision it takes to perform in Serie A is IONS above La Liga. Offense: Is there any greater accomplishment than "figuring" out defenders from Serie A?
The entertainment: goals, acrobats and fancy footsie of La Liga: sell that bullsh*t to the tourists because as a Serie fan I don't have attention span of squirrel needing instant gratification and not being able to enjoy an airtight defensive midfield.
Vieri, Panucci (!) and Albertini (now a GOD in A. Madrid) showed us what La Liga is to Serie A players and the supposed 'bombers' of La Liga: Javi Moreno, Jose Mari, Claudio Lopez, Gaizka Mendieta and Rivaldo learned quickly that defense is more than just offensive minded players playing in front of the keeper like in Spain.

The CL and UEFA arguements...to quote my friend "jog on son"...take a look at Spain and take a look at Italy in terms of consistency in international tournaments.

 

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++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
I personally do not think so. One of my biggest pet peevs on this subject is that so many people in the U.S. believe that the EPL is by far the best League in the world.

Same with Australia, it drives me mad. The logic here is:

1. They only show the EPL here, so the other leagues musn't be worth watching.
2. Arsenal is the best team in England, so they must be the best in the world.
3. Let's go support Arsenal



La Liga is a great league, with a combination of attacking football and better-than-England defences, but I think in that department, Serie A is second to none. The strength of the defences in even the smaller Italian clubs would make Manchester United blush

 

[The Pado]

Way to go, Nick! I'll never disagree with anybody extolling the virtues of Serie A. I placed Spain above due the way Spanish sides have performed in Europe versus Italian clubs over the last four years. I have seen very little Spanish league footy this year, but always made a point to watch Valencia (I love the way they play, but I'm not a fan) in their Liga encounters, so I'm not claiming to be an expert on la Liga. In any case, it's better than EPL, in my opinion.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Graham ] ++
1. They only show the EPL here, so the other leagues musn't be worth watching.
2. Arsenal is the best team in England, so they must be the best in the world.
3. Let's go support Arsenal

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Pado..Andrea..

NO SALE. I have had this arguement over and over again with many Liga faithfuls and I am not nor will I be convinced (anytime soon) that Serie A is second to anyone...especially La Liga.
There is the famous saying about New York "If you can make it there..you'll make it anywhere."
So true about Serie A as well. Defense and midfield are on a different planet in Serie A..the tactic, strategy and vision it takes to perform in Serie A is IONS above La Liga. Offense: Is there any greater accomplishment than "figuring" out defenders from Serie A?
The entertainment: goals, acrobats and fancy footsie of La Liga: sell that bullsh*t to the tourists because as a Serie fan I don't have attention span of squirrel needing instant gratification and not being able to enjoy an airtight defensive midfield.
Vieri, Panucci (!) and Albertini (now a GOD in A. Madrid) showed us what La Liga is to Serie A players and the supposed 'bombers' of La Liga: Javi Moreno, Jose Mari, Claudio Lopez, Gaizka Mendieta and Rivaldo learned quickly that defense is more than just offensive minded players playing in front of the keeper like in Spain.

The CL and UEFA arguements...to quote my friend "jog on son"...take a look at Spain and take a look at Italy in terms of consistency in international tournaments.

That's one of the best arguments I've ever heard for the Serie A. And I totally agree with it.

The fact that players like Vieri and Panucci excell in La Liga, while players like Mendieta and Claudio Lopez have completely sucked really makes a good point.

I have watched the EPL every weekend this year, cuz I am basically stuck with it as the best League I am able to watch on a regular basis. Okay, maybe it is one of the most exciting Leagues in the world along with La Liga, but by all means that does NOT make it the best League in the world. And anyway, I am not a big fan of the style of the EPL with the "blast the ball upfield to score" attitude. I have always enjoyed watching the Serie A more than any other League, and that is going to stay the same.

And what Pado said, I hate that everyone is afraid of change.

 

[KB824]

Andrew, I call the EPL "Video Game Football".


Here's the strategy for most, if not all of the EPL squads.

The defensemen's job is to mug and foul any attacker that comes near them, instead of actually trying to cleanly dis-posses the ball.

The Midfielder's job is to volley 50 metre bombs across the pitch in the hope that A) the ball acutally makes it to one of their strikers, or B) the defense will totally foul it all up, and turn the ball over to the attacking team.

Which leaves the strikers' job, with the exception of Thierry Henry, to be the ultimate poachers and clean up the mess.

Whenever I watch the EPL, I'm reminded of a tennis match, with the action constantly going back and forth, with no buildup, no counter-attacking, and no strategy in place. Just pure fast-break football.

However, that type of style does lend itself to a lot of goal-scoring, which in turn will attract the US market, as small as it may be, because we Americans are only concerned about points.


At least, that's what they would have you believe.

 

[Martin]

That's a nice summary, I'll have to remember that.

 

[KB824]

Martin, its the best I can come up with.

 

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++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Way to go, Nick! I'll never disagree with anybody extolling the virtues of Serie A. I placed Spain above due the way Spanish sides have performed in Europe versus Italian clubs over the last four years.

What, getting 3 Italian teams into the semifinals of the CL isn't enough for you?

Okay okay, that's just one season, but it was truly a high point for calcio

++ [ originally posted by Andre 3000 ] ++
However, that type of style does lend itself to a lot of goal-scoring, which in turn will attract the US market, as small as it may be, because we Americans are only concerned about points.
At least, that's what they would have you believe.

Maybe the game would be more marketable if they awarded 10 points for every goal scored, 15 if it was from outside the box, and 20 if it was scored from 30 yards or more