Those "amateurs" got to the final last year. That takes a great deal of skill - something which is far more relevant than any historical domination, be it domestic or european.
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Honestly inbunco, I believe your pulling stuff outta your ass. The irony in my post seemed to fly right past you.....
As for my creativity- I bet you've posted that site before already. In the words of Inbunco: "Doctor Heal Thyself"
You base all your nonsense on one criminal trial situation, which you didnt even bring up until the thread surfaced. Yeah ok. Youve been going on with your shit for weeks. What evidence did you have before that?
You have no arguments worth countering. What? A criminal trial? Uh ok yeah. Because someone's involved in a criminal trial it means their guilty. Inbunco, sometimes I wish logic could be taught out of a textbook. But then again.....
The fact that Galliani is president of FIGC doesnt merit discussion now does it? Why not Inbunco?
Yeah I may know jack shit about Italian politics and the state of their economy and who's who where. But neither does your grandmother. I do know a jackass when I see one though- and you Inbunco are the real deal. Ancelotti here is your butt-buddy, and walu-ex....well lets leave some to the imagination.
Politics have nun to do with football? Yeah with a political party called "Forza Italia" and his MP's called "azzurri" whoa is that me or do i see your shit fly outta the window? Football and politics have everything to do with each other in Italy. And your own clowns Galliani and Berlusconi are caught in the middle of it. Milan themselves are in a shitload of debt, but funny how nobody is making a big deal about it....It isnt just that- Silvio is stupid enough to make a PUBLIC move to cover his ass with the new immunity law. Reeks doesnt it?
Why would anyone need immunity of any kind unless they were doing something that would get them into trouble? Ask yourself that inbunco. In fact Berlusconi himself was a defendant in NUMEROUS corruption trials before this new law was passed. Funny isnt it?
A little internet research comes up with much it seems....
Maybe you should keep to your cowboy analogies and join your butt-buddy ancelotti in the tub. And I'd buy you testicles if they could make you a man.
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Like usual you have said absolutely nothing about how I closed the case on you faster than you could say "UNINFORMED KID". You threw more shit and don't deal with issues..its like arguing with a toddler. What are you talking about immunity laws..so what? What does that have to do with the argument at hand and about how you claimed Berlusconi was behind Juve's trial when that proves your business and diplomatic and political reasoning is ZILCH. The immunity Law Mr. Googlesearch was in force since WWII to 1994...lifted in 94 and re-instated. The only outspoken advocate has been Angelli's brother. God your mis-informed its like you purposely throw these facts to get whacked on the head.
Berlusconi's trials have to do with an auction for a cable stations in 1985....we are talking about a criminal trial for doping allegations of a sports team. See the difference...I could go on but you would just GOOGLE it some more.
Please....buy a clue. Here's a "nickelpiece" cowgirl.....
Once again..riding into the sunset as the wide eyed boy looks on....
Berlusconi's trials have to do with an auction for a cable stations in 1985....we are talking about a criminal trial for doping allegations of a sports team. See the difference...I could go on but you would just GOOGLE it some more.
Please....buy a clue. Here's a "nickelpiece" cowgirl.....
Once again..riding into the sunset as the wide eyed boy looks on....
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Rickenbacker: I will admit as VINMAN says that Juve are seen as the New York Yankees...whatever..of Italian football. All the scudettis and many Italians abroad (Canada, Australia, US) recognize Juve before most...though its beginning to change. Their track record in Italy is superior. However, I always maintained that they have problems beyond the "boot of Italy" and that is quite evident considering the number of appearances they had in the CL since its inception compared to Milan or Real and the number of times they actually won. Its difficult in football to say who is the team of Europe or Italy because in this case one was more successful than the other at home and vice versa.
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Rickenbacker: what question?
I don't think Juve is small fish BUT they have not reached the heights of REAL or Milan in Europe because of their failure to win in CL in all those appearances. I admit Milan was absent for a long while but the appearances and wins in the 80's and 90's stand out like Real as of recent. Juve is an odd team because they are so huge in Italy but in Europe I feel that they are beyond the Roma's and Inter's but not at the status of the HUGE teams ( I dont' mean financially but rather in terms of CL legends or dynasties. Anyhow its all subjective really. But I think their failure in Europe evident and has failed to bring them to the next level.
I don't think Juve is small fish BUT they have not reached the heights of REAL or Milan in Europe because of their failure to win in CL in all those appearances. I admit Milan was absent for a long while but the appearances and wins in the 80's and 90's stand out like Real as of recent. Juve is an odd team because they are so huge in Italy but in Europe I feel that they are beyond the Roma's and Inter's but not at the status of the HUGE teams ( I dont' mean financially but rather in terms of CL legends or dynasties. Anyhow its all subjective really. But I think their failure in Europe evident and has failed to bring them to the next level.
What next level? Juve is one of the biggest clubs in the world, capable of beating any other team out there. We have just as much money, if not more than anybody else, we have a huge trophy cabinet with at least two of all the good trophies. I think that we are big fish and we are on the level with the best teams in the world.
ian. we are big fish. but incubo ir right in his last post. we are not legends like milan of early 90s, like real in 50s and currently, like ajax in cruyff's prime. of course we are better than inter, than roma, than arsenal, barca and most of the teams in europe and even world. but in 10, 20, 50 years time we wont be remembered as legends. everyone will remember our finals 96-98, but they will remember that we lost. if we had won that would have been a different story. but we lost...
haha, your avatar sucks.
but that does not mean that milan will be remembered as legends for last years success. baresi's, maldini's, gullit's, rikjaard's, van basten's milan - LEGENDS
last year's milan - same level as juve. that was my point.
i were elite. you are capable of becoming elite again. but so are we. but you are not elite right now. you are not elite for your past records. no one considers benfica as an elite team. you didn't play in final for 8 or 9 years before last year. is that elite?
but that does not mean that milan will be remembered as legends for last years success. baresi's, maldini's, gullit's, rikjaard's, van basten's milan - LEGENDS
last year's milan - same level as juve. that was my point.
i were elite. you are capable of becoming elite again. but so are we. but you are not elite right now. you are not elite for your past records. no one considers benfica as an elite team. you didn't play in final for 8 or 9 years before last year. is that elite?
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Difference is Fliakis..it wil take you guys many years to be an elite and legend in the CL. Not with this team. Milan neither. How many years does Maldini have left. He was part of a dynasty.. now its just the added bonus. Point is that when a team keeps winning it ... your elite status in the tournament is sealed. Milan could have easily surpassed Real in CL victories had it not been for Marseille and the final which was eventually stripped of them. Anyhow whatever no use crying over spilled milk but I hardly see two CL titles : one in blood and the other in PK as calling your presence in the tournament ELITE.
My avatar is not meant to impress. You guys are too limited with size. How am I supposed to work with 64 by 64?!!!! Any freelance avatar makers willing to swallow "the pill" and make a non -Juve one
My avatar is not meant to impress. You guys are too limited with size. How am I supposed to work with 64 by 64?!!!! Any freelance avatar makers willing to swallow "the pill" and make a non -Juve one
aww come on, misinterpreting my points intentionally does not make you smart. cowboy analogies dont make you smart. personal insults dont make you smart. attempting to comprehend the point makes you half-smart.
not dealing with the cruz of my post does not make you smart.
the point i was trying to make was, and ill say it simply- as easy to understand as possible:
1. just because there is a trial doesnt mean the defendant is guilty. it proves NOTHING, except the fact that theres someone out there who dislikes them
2. milan themselves are in their own kind of football predicament- something you cleverly chose to overlook and not address in your post. read my post again if you have the ability to comprehend anything.
honestly, i dont have the time to go around all day researching italian culture, their lifestyle, learning italian and all that bullcrap. im not obsessed about their culture one way or another. so forgive my google-pimping.
the fact is you ignored the points i did make in my post. so i take it you admit milan are corrupt too according to your own logic which condemns people before a fair trial?
not dealing with the cruz of my post does not make you smart.
the point i was trying to make was, and ill say it simply- as easy to understand as possible:
1. just because there is a trial doesnt mean the defendant is guilty. it proves NOTHING, except the fact that theres someone out there who dislikes them
2. milan themselves are in their own kind of football predicament- something you cleverly chose to overlook and not address in your post. read my post again if you have the ability to comprehend anything.
honestly, i dont have the time to go around all day researching italian culture, their lifestyle, learning italian and all that bullcrap. im not obsessed about their culture one way or another. so forgive my google-pimping.
the fact is you ignored the points i did make in my post. so i take it you admit milan are corrupt too according to your own logic which condemns people before a fair trial?