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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I won't deny that I myself download music illegally and watch a downloaded film every now and then, but wouldn't the consequence of everyone doing this consistently be horrible? Quality would be going downhill as there's simply no money to provide quality. It's like Aristoteles said: some is good.
 

swag

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:) Damn, I'm easily amused.

I won't deny that I myself download music illegally and watch a downloaded film every now and then, but wouldn't the consequence of everyone doing this consistently be horrible? Quality would be going downhill as there's simply no money to provide quality. It's like Aristoteles said: some is good.
Worse, those $15,000 freebie Oscar gift bags o'swag (no relation) are going to be b1tch to torrent download.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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I won't deny that I myself download music illegally and watch a downloaded film every now and then, but wouldn't the consequence of everyone doing this consistently be horrible? Quality would be going downhill as there's simply no money to provide quality. It's like Aristoteles said: some is good.
I don't know about movies, but with regards to the music industry, they've tended to greatly exaggerate their losses from filesharing, in fact the sales had dropped by no more than 7%, which often is attributed to a range of factors. What they do to make their situation look more ehm.. catastrophic is to compare their current sales with projections of sales based on a rate of increase, which doesn't represent any hard numbers at all.

As for the big scare about artists not being given a shot because of lack of funds, here's an interesting example:
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html


But as for movies, this is really just a simple argument, but does a movie really need to have a budget of $70M to be good? If they had half that money, would the quality suddenly suck?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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In a lot of ways it would. A historic drama simply needs a lot of money. If you want LOTR to look fantastic, and that's a big part of why those movies are so good, you'll need a lot of cash as well.

7% still is a notable loss. And what about the future losses? The way I see it, piracy is only going to increase.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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In a lot of ways it would. A historic drama simply needs a lot of money. If you want LOTR to look fantastic, and that's a big part of why those movies are so good, you'll need a lot of cash as well.
Don't be ridiculous, there are movies you can't make without a lot of money, but tons of cash is spent on the worst junk as well.

7% still is a notable loss. And what about the future losses? The way I see it, piracy is only going to increase.
Oh it is, but it's good to keep things in perspective. And these losses you're so concerned about, whose are they? The record companies. The companies that decide what's on the air and what's on mtv more or less. Much less so the artists.

Besides home recording is developing to be a fully adequate solution for many artists, so record companies could be on the way out anyway. Would you bemoan the loss of jobs for a coal plant going out of business because it's not needed anymore?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Don't be ridiculous, there are movies you can't make without a lot of money, but tons of cash is spent on the worst junk as well.



Oh it is, but it's good to keep things in perspective. And these losses you're so concerned about, whose are they? The record companies. The companies that decide what's on the air and what's on mtv more or less. Much less so the artists.
I never said they didn't make junk. LOTR simply wouldn't have happened without extensive funds. Movies will become more amateuristic without cash and quality will decrease. It's a logical procedure. And that even goes for movies such as Il Postino. Actors wouldn't be professionals and thus would be less good.

Of course the record companies are most concerned about those losses. But again, if musicians can't afford to be pros, quality will decrease. That's how it has been for centuries, that's what would happen this time.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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I never said they didn't make junk. LOTR simply wouldn't have happened without extensive funds. Movies will become more amateuristic without cash and quality will decrease. It's a logical procedure. And that even goes for movies such as Il Postino. Actors wouldn't be professionals and thus would be less good.

Of course the record companies are most concerned about those losses. But again, if musicians can't afford to be pros, quality will decrease. That's how it has been for centuries, that's what would happen this time.
But you're assuming that their income would fall to zero. No apocalyptic scenario has ever suggested that. In fact, quite a few record companies that sell music online are flourishing, companies that let you buy mp3s that have no copy protection and you could distribute if you wanted. So it's not like people are going to stop buying music once and for all.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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But you're assuming that their income would fall to zero. No apocalyptic scenario has ever suggested that. In fact, quite a few record companies that sell music online are flourishing, companies that let you buy mp3s that have no copy protection and you could distribute if you wanted. So it's not like people are going to stop buying music once and for all.
I'm not assuming it would fall to zero. Less cash means less professionalism means lesser quality. That doesn't say no more good music will be made. I'm simply sceptical about what our download-area will do the music industry as a whole. Denying negative effects is rubbish to me.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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To be honest I'll be concerned about those effects when I see them. I'm not overly impressed with the music industry as it is, they push a lot of junk. I can't imagine that their music quality would suddenly drastically plummet. Didn't they produce music in the 90s when their budgets were lower? How did they manage that?
 

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