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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Erik-with-a-k said:
One just opened here in The Hague near where I work. It's a serious health hazzard to me, the other day I heard 8+ espresso's a day can give you seizures

About the religion vs gay debate: the only significant problem with religion I have is that (where I come from) it tends to attract only idiots. Morals aren't formed by individuals, only by groups. And the masses, by historical perspective, are stupid.

That said, stupidity is of all times and I'm sure that without religion, the morons in question would find an alternative way to organise their galactic simplifications. Neo-nazis are such an example.

One Muslim friend of mine likes to point out he has no idea what homosexuality is like, since he's straight, and hence doesn't think he should judge it. He thinks I'm a good friend and as for anything else, that's God's call to make once I die (naturally I disagree since I don't believe God exists but should I be wrong I'll be sure to put in a good word for him).

The point is, he believes religion is a personal bond between you and God. Which means he leaves other people in their worth. Which, to me, makes him much more of a saint than the pope could ever dream to be.
And that's how it should be. Masses are always dangerous, thus so are the millions that go to church every sunday or to the mosque every friday.
 

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Jul 22, 2004
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Seven said:
And that's how it should be. Masses are always dangerous, thus so are the millions that go to church every sunday or to the mosque every friday.
Well unfortunately we do live with in countries, which is basically organizations made up to manage the masses.

I don't think going to church on sunday or going to friday prayers is a danger, its like once a week we try to remember to stick to the path we believe in, although we often go astray, well at least i do :D

I believe the key is in education, as long as you keep people properly educated they won't act with violence regardless of their difference in opinion.
 

Zé Tahir

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Dec 10, 2004
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Erik-with-a-k said:
One just opened here in The Hague near where I work. It's a serious health hazzard to me, the other day I heard 8+ espresso's a day can give you seizures

About the religion vs gay debate: the only significant problem with religion I have is that (where I come from) it tends to attract only idiots. Morals aren't formed by individuals, only by groups. And the masses, by historical perspective, are stupid.

That said, stupidity is of all times and I'm sure that without religion, the morons in question would find an alternative way to organise their galactic simplifications. Neo-nazis are such an example.

One Muslim friend of mine likes to point out he has no idea what homosexuality is like, since he's straight, and hence doesn't think he should judge it. He thinks I'm a good friend and as for anything else, that's God's call to make once I die (naturally I disagree since I don't believe God exists but should I be wrong I'll be sure to put in a good word for him).

The point is, he believes religion is a personal bond between you and God.
Which means he leaves other people in their worth. Which, to me, makes him much more of a saint than the pope could ever dream to be.
Now that is someone who thinks like me ;) Lucky to have a friend like that, and lucky to have met a good Muslim, and not the kind Nick apparently meets.
 

Zé Tahir

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Dec 10, 2004
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Vinman said:
....or reads about, or see's on television
Depends on what you prefer to watch. If you like reading the Haaretz and watching Fox News, then I can understand.


That reminds me...funny how CNN in America is full of shit, while CNN International is actually a watchable news channel free of most the biasness in American media.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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Zé Tahir said:
Now that is someone who thinks like me ;) Lucky to have a friend like that, and lucky to have met a good Muslim,
Yeah he rocks :pint:

Vinman said:
....or reads about, or see's on television
Here in Holland, the media like to shower us with carefully portrayed images of extremist Christians in the US passing them off as the standard American.

The problem with most Muslim nations, is that they don't have Hollywood to help them show the world what the majority is like instead. But if it weren't for American TV and cinema, most of us Europeans would be convinced you were all the same as this character:



And before you go there: yes, we've seen reports on TV of Americans burning flags. The gay flag most notably.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Seven said:
And that's how it should be. Masses are always dangerous, thus so are the millions that go to church every sunday or to the mosque every friday.
I'm not entirely sure I buy that. I am not really proud of this, but I am lured into religious mockery everytime I find some "Jesus is my personal savior" line in some of these newly fabricated, feel-good Christian churches you find in the States. Jesus is my workout buddy. Jesus is my personal therapist. That sort of thing.

It's the kind of b.s. that makes you miss the fire-and-brimstone of a good old-fashioned diety. It's no wonder that parents have stopped disciplining their children and have resorted to appeasing them with DVDs and yogurt snacks when they've done something wrong ... they've turned the right and wrong of morality into some pantywaist affair.

Who'd have thought that all these new Christian churches, as anti-gay as many of them are, adopted a Christ role model that they've turned into some quasi-flamer with no backbone? :confused:

At the same time, as much as organized religions have been at the root of some of humanity's greatest evils in history... it's not entirely bad. I've seen a lot of good come from people who get together and constructively put their religious beliefs toward making the world a better place. Unfortunately, that hasn't gotten the media and historical coverage as all the negatives.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Erik-with-a-k said:
Yeah he rocks :pint:
IMO, one of the greatest things about Islam can also be one of the more dangerous things about Islam: nobody really judges or puts themselves in the position to personally judge. On the plus side, you have situations like your friend here. On the negative side, it means any baby-killing psycho can call themselves a proper Muslim and the only authority who can call "bullsh*t" isn't readily accessible in the public media.

Here in Holland, the media like to shower us with carefully portrayed images of extremist Christians in the US passing them off as the standard American.

The problem with most Muslim nations, is that they don't have Hollywood to help them show the world what the majority is like instead. But if it weren't for American TV and cinema, most of us Europeans would be convinced you were all the same as this character:



And before you go there: yes, we've seen reports on TV of Americans burning flags. The gay flag most notably.
I think the closed doors between some Muslim nations and the rest of the world are at the root of some of the world's biggest problems today.

But also, I usually know better than to think that this reverse-butted American is the standard. The shocking part is that there are times, as in the 2004 elections here, where I came to the incredulous conclusion that these reverse-butted Americans may actually be the majority. :scared:

The 2006 elections were important for me in recognizing that I am not completely on crack. Bush may have a handful of redeemable traits, but otherwise the guy has arguably been the worst leader this country has had in its history. I had a massive national identity crisis in 2004 -- I could not even recognize many of my fellow citizens as even being in the same country as me. That was a first in my life.
 

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