Nick Against the World (63 Viewers)

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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ßömßärdîër said:
Ram, Fab, that is a fake number, if you want to call me, call 304 676 9988 that is my cell. It is broken so i wont pikup, but leave a voicemail.

Do it big Ram.
Big Ram?

Isn't that what Rami is known as among the ladies? :eyebrows:
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Erik-with-a-k said:
Didn't see it, can't be bothered to stay home for the Amsterdam Tournament when they invite Man U, Inter and freaking Porto.
If that was in my 'hood, I would be there like an American fast food addict gorging on bottomless french fries at a Léon de Bruxelles.

Here people cream in their pants at the chance to see third stringers from Barcelona play the second stringers from Chivas USA.
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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swag said:
If that was in my 'hood, I would be there like an American fast food addict gorging on bottomless french fries at a Léon de Bruxelles.

Here people cream in their pants at the chance to see third stringers from Barcelona play the second stringers from Chivas USA.

My friend was offered a free ticket and ride to the game tommorow, but turned it down :lol2:
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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swag said:
If that was in my 'hood, I would be there like an American fast food addict gorging on bottomless french fries at a Léon de Bruxelles.

Here people cream in their pants at the chance to see third stringers from Barcelona play the second stringers from Chivas USA.
I'm spoiled, I know :toast:
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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Forget Judas, let’s have sympathy for the Devil
By Ruth Gledhill
A medievalist professor from California says that Satan is not really bad, just misunderstood

THE DEVIL has been unfairly and wilfully maligned and deserves a reassessment, according to a new study.

Professor Henry Ansgar Kelly, a medievalist, says that the Devil has had an unfair press and been the victim of groundless aspersions. Satan is no more evil than the head of MI5 or the Prime Minister, he says.

In his book Satan: A Biography, to be published by Cambridge University Press this month, the California university academic argues that exegesis of the Bible shows that the Devil suffered a “severe blackening of character” by the clergy, early church fathers, artists, philosophers and religious scholars. The “Devil is in the detail” — literally, he says.

The reassessment of Satan comes hot on the heels of attempts to recast Judas in saintly form. Professor Kelly does not go as far as that, but he does call on theologians to consider whether the Devil is as bad as traditionally depicted.

Instead of being the personification of evil, Satan is a “divine functionary” whose kingdom is the Earth, he says.

“My advice is, forget about evil, and worry about evil deeds and the people who commit them,” he said.

His interpretation is accepted by many biblical scholars. The theory provides an explanation for the presence of evil and suffering, without denying the existence or omniscience of God. Professor Kelly refers to traditional texts, such as the Lord’s Prayer, where the line “Deliver us from evil” is written in some prayer books as “Deliver us from the Evil One”.

Most Christians believe that Satan was an angel named Lucifer who rebelled against God at the beginning of Creation. After being thrown out of Heaven, he tempted Adam and Eve into sin, and ever since has strived to win souls for his kingdom of Hell.

But Professor Kelly argues that none of this is in the Bible, and that it represents conclusions drawn by the early church fathers and read back into the Bible.

He argues from Revelation, at the end of the Christian Scriptures, that Satan remains in Heaven, as the “accuser of humankind”, and will stay there until the Battle of Armageddon, when he will be imprisoned in the abyss. After a brief release, he will be imprisoned in the lake of fire for eternity.

He says that Lucifer is not synonymous with Satan, arguing that in the Hebrew Bible, only the King of Babylon is called Lucifer, or the morning star, cast down to Earth (Isaiah xiv, 12). In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as the star of the morning (II Peter i, 19).

Nor is Satan the serpent who tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, he says.

Professor Kelly argues from Luke iv that Satan is a minister of God in charge of the world.

“He’s a government heavy, whose main job is to test human beings and to accuse them of their misdeeds, but he is cynical and overzealous in performing his duties,” the professor says. “We can think of an unscrupulous and feared official investigator or prosecutor, like J. Edgar Hoover or Senator Joseph McCarthy.”

He calls for the concept of Satan as the personification of evil to be jettisoned. Instead, he says, Satan is more like his depiction in the Book of Job, the tester tasked by God to make Job turn against God and curse Him. The professor makes the case for Satan as more a “functionary of the divine court” than “an enemy of God as well as of Man, a convicted cosmic outlaw”.

Professor Kelly is holding “Satan seminars” from next week to help his campaign.

NO MORE EVIL THAN MI5 OR FBI

'Satan in the New Testament should be regarded as holding the equivalent of such positions as Prime Minister, or Attorney-General, or Head of MI5, or Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and as no more evil than many zealous holders of these positions here on Earth . . . I have attempted to rehabilitate Satan’s reputation, and, who knows, perhaps this attempt will help to rehabilitate the reputation of God as well. I hope that it will also rectify our view of human nature and eliminate discussions of “Evil” by drawing attention away from the invisible Prince of Evil or abstract Personification of Evil and focusing on the real causes of the evil actions that people actually commit’

Ruth Gledhill's weblog

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That's very interesting. Yet again an editor's flaw in the Bible?
 
Aug 4, 2006
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Erik with k should be banned for talking bout religin here. its not right that he enforces his christianity on us and some of us not chritians or not religions at all.

I'm sorry for Erik with k becos i like him but i have to ban him becos jesus.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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Alex Samatar said:
Erik with k should be banned for talking bout religin here. its not right that he enforces his christianity on us and some of us not chritians or not religions at all.

I'm sorry for Erik with k becos i like him but i have to ban him becos jesus.
:lol2:
 

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