Nick Against the World (43 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Milan: Kaka, Cafu, Pancaro, Dhorasoo, Stam.

Juventus: Miccoli, Legrotagglie, Appiah, Zlatan, Emerson, Zebina, Cannavaro...

Take a look at those two sets of players.

Now, Milan has three players on the list that are not first-choice regulars.

Next, take a look at Juventus. All of those players were brought in to play a major role in the team; Legro was supposed to become Montero's replacement and Appiah was David's replacement. The final four players you listed all play a major roles for our side, always commanding a starting position.

Again, Juventus rarely buys uneccesary players such as Jose Mari, Moreno, Laursen, even Stam to some extent, even though I would love to have the latter. You know that Moggi tries to get by with the bare minimum, however we still are very successful. That's why I feel Juventus are more efficient on the market.

 

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[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Take a look at those two sets of players.

Now, Milan has three players on the list that are not first-choice regulars.

Next, take a look at Juventus. All of those players were brought in to play a major role in the team; Legro was supposed to become Montero's replacement and Appiah was David's replacement. The final four players you listed all play a major roles for our side, always commanding a starting position.

Again, Juventus rarely buys uneccesary players such as Jose Mari, Moreno, Laursen, even Stam to some extent, even though I would love to have the latter. You know that Moggi tries to get by with the bare minimum, however we still are very successful. That's why I feel Juventus are more efficient on the market.

True...

But we could sure use a deeper bench right now.......

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


True...

But we could sure use a deeper bench right now.......

Indeed and I wish we had a deeper bench. However if we do win something this year you must say we got by with "just enough." That's Moggi's style.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I say again.

When Juventus pay reasonable sums of money for certain players, those players usually play a big part or have a say in the outcome of the season. When we pay money for players, they usually are protagonists in the squad, not sitting on the bench. I have heard many times from certain analysts that Juventus only buys players that we need,

Tell me...you think Milan needs Ambrosini, Rui Costa, Pancaro, Kaladze, Costacurta and Tomasson? I think they do...some were bargains..some cost a pretty penny. In the end of the day their availability is instrumental to our success. What do we keep hearing?
No team has depth like Milan.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++I have never heard such a comment given to Milan, and I must say that I'm not surprised because I know the evidence as well as you. Players like Moreno, Jose Mari, Laursen, so on and so on were bought by Milan, for heavy amounts of cash for their respective worth, only to sit on the bench.

They were to add depth and even that didn't work. Laursen was actually not as expensive as you assume.
The big buys were Nesta, Stam, Inzaghi, Shevchenko (not as much as he is worth today), Rui Costa. All instrumental to our recent success.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
My point in all of this is when Juventus buys a player for a reasonable sum of money, that player will certainly be played because we need that player. .

Did you need Miccoli?

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
That player will have a huge say in the season, unless injured like Salas. Whether those players we bought are a success or not is another story, however our intentions with their signature is for them to take a big role for our club. Milan spent a lot of money on players only for them to sit on the bench. Indeed, it's always great to have good players on the bench, however it's not always needed. Therefore, I would have to say that we are more efficient on the transfer market.

Catch my drift??

I don't agree....sorry. You are still hung up on those 2001 purchases of Javi Moreno and Jose Mari. You have shown me nothing as of recent.
Miccoli was purchased for his future at Juve?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Take a look at those two sets of players.

Now, Milan has three players on the list that are not first-choice regulars.

There is also a hell of a difference in price Andy....Cafu and Pancaro were all but forgotten by their clubs.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

Next, take a look at Juventus. All of those players were brought in to play a major role in the team; Legro was supposed to become Montero's replacement and Appiah was David's replacement. The final four players you listed all play a major roles for our side, always commanding a starting position.

You are now mixing and intertwining arguments. Those players were expensive....those were big buys of the last two years. Look at WHO we bought in the last two years and still managed to grow even stronger.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

Again, Juventus rarely buys uneccesary players such as Jose Mari, Moreno, Laursen, even Stam to some extent, even though I would love to have the latter. You know that Moggi tries to get by with the bare minimum, however we still are very successful. That's why I feel Juventus are more efficient on the market.

Again with the JAVI DAMN MORENO :fero:
Why would Juve not buy Stam? They prefer a Zebina?? :cheesy:
I don't see Juve as more efficient on the market as of recent anyways. Over-all..yes you may have an upperhand.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Tell me...you think Milan needs Ambrosini, Rui Costa, Pancaro, Kaladze, Costacurta and Tomasson? I think they do...some were bargains..some cost a pretty penny. In the end of the day their availability is instrumental to our success. What do we keep hearing?
No team has depth like Milan.

I'm not contesting that Milan has great depth and helps their cause. If Milan did not have that depth they might not be as successful. When you compare both sets of benches, it's clear that Milan has the better lot. However if we were to outdo you this season and win more than Milan, you must say we got by with the bare minimum. Therefore, more efficiency on the market.

Did you need Miccoli?

Miccoli came to Juventus after his loan deal with Perugia was over, therefore he was free at the time. At the beginning of the season IIRC both Trezeguet and Zalayeta were down with injury, or maybe it was Del Piero. Two of our forwards were down when we brought Micci back.

I don't agree....sorry. You are still hung up on those 2001 purchases of Javi Moreno and Jose Mari. You have shown me nothing as of recent.

Was Stam really needed? How about Crespo when you have Inzaghi, Sheva, Tomasson, and Borriello in your books at Milan? Juventus would not have made those moves because as Moggi says "they're surplus to requirements."

You might not agree but it's there for all to see. Juve get by with the bare minimum, buying players for free that command starting roles and selling off our best talent for other players, basically not taking one buck out of Juve's pocket. That's what I call efficient.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

You are now mixing and intertwining arguments. Those players were expensive....those were big buys of the last two years. Look at WHO we bought in the last two years and still managed to grow even stronger.

Oh man you're still not getting my point.

Again, all of those players were bought to START for Juventus, NOT take the role as BACKUP.

Again with the JAVI DAMN MORENO :fero:
Why would Juve not buy Stam? They prefer a Zebina?? :cheesy:
I don't see Juve as more efficient on the market as of recent anyways. Over-all..yes you may have an upperhand.

Of course I would take Stam over Zebina, however the latter was free. If Juventus wins something this year you must say that all the calls for a "re-Juvenation" and "total overhaul" of our players were wrong, only needing a few players to take commanding roles in our side. Zebina (free), Kapo (free), Zlatan, Emerson, and Cannavaro are case and point. "Total overhaul," but five players, four taking commanding roles, three of which being completely free. There's no other way to describe that except for EFFICIENT.

 

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++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

Why would Juve not buy Stam? They prefer a Zebina?? :cheesy:

Na, BOBO Vieri. :cheesy:

 

[Febrina]

Vieri is gonna be a model for Peugeot 206 tv commercial.
and Carlos Sainz wants to be the next president of Real Madrid on the next campaign!

The world is getting crazy

 

[Nicole]

Lets not forget that Bono is up for World Bank

 

[Respaul]

Nick... What is your reasoning as to why, Pancaro and Gattuso refused to take blood tests after the Roma match?

 

[Respaul]

On a side note... It was great to see Fighters Back in Curva Scirea this week after a short abscence.
Very weird having two seperate guys on the megaphone getting the chants going... Especially nice to have fighters winning out over drughi allmost continuously... It worked well though and could sound the beginning of something very special in Curva Scirea

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Nick... What is your reasoning as to why, Pancaro and Gattuso refused to take blood tests after the Roma match?

isn't that the kind of thing that can get you a ban ala Rio?

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
On a side note... It was great to see Fighters Back in Curva Scirea this week after a short abscence.
Very weird having two seperate guys on the megaphone getting the chants going... Especially nice to have fighters winning out over drughi allmost continuously... It worked well though and could sound the beginning of something very special in Curva Scirea

I definitely noticed more noise in the match against Reggina, especially for e.g. when Buffon made a save from a close range header. It was great hearing "GIANLUIGI BUFFON! GIANLUIGI BUFFON!" ringing out all over the stadium, as opposed to the usual referee's whistle drowning out the whole 'crowd'

 

[Nicole]

They refused to take a blood test, but they took a "urinal" test, maybe they simply hate needles, many people do...I am like 99% sure that they havent done drugs, but there are drugs that can only be detected in the blood stream...but like I said I doubt very much they've done anything wrong...

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

isn't that the kind of thing that can get you a ban ala Rio?

Not in italy... No

In italy You must take the urine test but can refuse the blood test at this time... that is as it happens a fvcking joke as the majority of drugs that are beleived to be used in football can only be accurately detected by means of a blood test...

The option to refuse the blood test will be withdrawn at the end of this season.

Though it is very heavily frowned upon to refuse the bloodtest and will bring considerable attention from the drug testers, not too mention widespread suspicion to any player that does refuse, it is not actually an offence

 

[gray]

ahh ok

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Nick... What is your reasoning as to why, Pancaro and Gattuso refused to take blood tests after the Roma match?

I was going to ask that

 

[Respaul]

Also Nick... What do you think of the statements put out by CONI and the FIGC regarding Gattuso and Pancaro's actions

 

[IncuboRossonero]

I think this whole refusal thing is much ado about nothing...firstly, a urine test is sufficient to detect most banned substances (such as EPO ..remember that one?!). Paul is absolutely right a player can refuse a blood test. Why refuse one? Who knows..maybe Rino and Beppe visited a brothel a few months back and are on medication against a nasty case of herpes... I have no clue.
Personally I don't think there is anything up with this. Why? Pancaro did nto even play to make a difference. Gattuso: this is probably the news many were waiting for: "the guy is pumped full of drugs which explains why he is like a racehorse on the field". However, why bring attention to oneself in such a manner.
Last I heard was that Milan will offer Rino's blood sample..all tests must come through the ok of the team (Milan, Juve and Inter must ok before a player submits to tests) and perhaps blood tests were not automatic. Must go through the team first.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Febrina ] ++
Vieri is gonna be a model for Peugeot 206 tv commercial.

Vieri on a billboard...great :stress: