Nick Against the World (71 Viewers)
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"Actually, I'm not really ashamed to admit that I don't remember that specific game. Could you please give a more detailed description?"
Rickenbacker....just like the other games...the Inter scandal: Ronaldo's disallowed goal in 98 denying Inter the scudetto and the other memorable incidents that year. The Zambrotta dive against Bologna. The Trez. elbow into Simic's face. Sheva's apparently offside goal even though Tacchinardi was clearing the ball....o-hum.
Take your pick: the issue remains the same: the judgements or lack of by officials are inexplicable. Then again with La Vecchia Signora...many things are.
Rickenbacker....just like the other games...the Inter scandal: Ronaldo's disallowed goal in 98 denying Inter the scudetto and the other memorable incidents that year. The Zambrotta dive against Bologna. The Trez. elbow into Simic's face. Sheva's apparently offside goal even though Tacchinardi was clearing the ball....o-hum.
Take your pick: the issue remains the same: the judgements or lack of by officials are inexplicable. Then again with La Vecchia Signora...many things are.
Well, I'm not so sure about that. Buffon, is after all younger than Edwin, so you can't really compare them in the same timeline, you'd have to compare them at similar points in their career. Add to that the fact that Edwin went to what was a second rate team and got injured, and it is less clear that Buffon wins. But, I'm not so zealous a fan as to think that Buffon is not currently better than Edwin. I still maintain, however, that at the time Edwin was sold, it would have been a better move to keep him and develope the talent of Carini. It would have been more cost effective and would not have wasted the talent of Carini. Also, I think it'd be hard to deny that Edwin's sale wasn't motivated at some level by Juve's famous ultra-nationalism, he was the first non-italian keeper in the history of the team.
Here we go with the nationalism thing again. And I agree with you Ian, you cant compare Buffon and VDS by age, but you can by the similar points in their careers. So, if we were we'd compare Buffons peak and VDS' peak, and we'd find that Buffon's peak came at a younger age than Van der Saar's, therefore I conclude that Buffon is a better keeper (I'm taking Buffon's peak as the last season and VDS' as his second Juve season, because he sucked big tim in his last one - he was with Juve for 3 years, right?). Also, I think it was an excellent decision to sell him as hisblunders granted Roma the title (especially in the direct clash vs Roma and Nakata's brace). He lost confidence in himself and the club lost confidence in him. You can lose confidence in any player but the keeper. When you can no longer trust and believe in him it's time for him to pack his bags.
You've yet to provide evidence suggesting that his sale was not motivated by nationalist beliefs. Also, If Buffon peaked last year, then that is sad, because he is still so young. It's not who peaks first, it's who is better at their peak. IMO, Edwin's peak was his last year at Ajax. I don't think that Buffon has reached his peak yet, but if he has, then he is certainly the worse keeper of the two.
OK, maybe last season wasnt Buffons peak, but lets say it was, for the sake of argument as we cant predict what will happen in the future.
Are you really saying that Van der Saar's last year at Ajax was better than Buffon's last season? Buffon as fantastic in the last season, he didnt win the UEFA award for nothing, he was instrumental in both Seria A and especially in the CL, with some great saves against Barcelona, Real, and Milan, not to mentio the games before, like a fabulous save on Makaay against Depor...
Also, I havent seen you prove that his sale was due to nationalism
I think you're kinda subjective in this matter, kinda like me and Salihamidzic
Are you really saying that Van der Saar's last year at Ajax was better than Buffon's last season? Buffon as fantastic in the last season, he didnt win the UEFA award for nothing, he was instrumental in both Seria A and especially in the CL, with some great saves against Barcelona, Real, and Milan, not to mentio the games before, like a fabulous save on Makaay against Depor...
Also, I havent seen you prove that his sale was due to nationalism
I think you're kinda subjective in this matter, kinda like me and Salihamidzic
Brilliant saves aren't the only way to judge a goalkeeper, and by the way, before Edwin came to Juve, he was considered one of the world's premier shot stoppers.
Prove it? That would be very difficult if not impossible, but I ahve somevidence to back up my argument, I have seen no evidence to the contrary.
Kinda subjective? I'm really subjective, so what? You're subjective too, you prefer Buffon. Maybe Buffon isn't your favourite player, at your favourite position for your favourite national team, and used to be on your favourite club team, but you're not completely objective.
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Also, I havent seen you prove that his sale was due to nationalism
Also, I havent seen you prove that his sale was due to nationalism
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I think you're kinda subjective in this matter, kinda like me and Salihamidzic
I think you're kinda subjective in this matter, kinda like me and Salihamidzic
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OK, maybe I should have said biased
Also, how do you judge a goalkeeper except by his saves? By how many goals he scores? Then Butt and Chilavert would be the worlds best
OK, maybe I should have said biased
Also, how do you judge a goalkeeper except by his saves? By how many goals he scores? Then Butt and Chilavert would be the worlds best
But, you can also judge a keeper by his ability to organise a defence, by his ability to distribute, by his play on high-balls, by his foot skills, or by his ability coming off the line. You can also rate a keeper by his shot stopping ability, but that is by no means the only aspect to good goalkeeping.
I beg to differ my friend. I do think that what a good keeper shoud have is good shot stopping ability, good reflexes, good handling and good at crosses and good at rushing out. IMO his foot skills (if we mean control, dribbling, and anything else but what he needs to make a good save), or organizing a defense, or by their ability to distribute the ball. It's not a keepers job to distribute the ball or to start the defence, his only job should be not conceding goals. Anything else is a bonus, but in no means neccessety.