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Bjerknes

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Respaul said:
There lies the difference between the glory hunter and the true supporter who believes in the history and traditions of our club...
Indeed. Unfortunately fans such as these are all too common around here. If anybody wants to see more laughable posts such as these, search through some of the posts made by Esteban. I just don't understand how someone could say such a thing.
 

Bjerknes

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Say Paul, you have got to say Michael Carrick is looking pretty darn nice at the moment. I stated months ago I would field him in central midfield for England without question, and I am sticking to my guns right now as well.
 

Bozi

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Andy said:
Say Paul, you have got to say Michael Carrick is looking pretty darn nice at the moment. I stated months ago I would field him in central midfield for England without question, and I am sticking to my guns right now as well.
watched the first half of bolton-spurs and tbh carrick never never got near the ball, therefore spurs never got going at all, carrick is an excellent player but needs to be the focal point and tbh i cant see sven groanin erektion ever using him as the focal point of the england team before stevie g or lampard
 

Respaul

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Why would my opinion change... I've allways said carrick should be in the squad... I think if everyones fit there are better options as carrick isnt overly consistent, but ive allways said he should be present... That hasnt changed
 

Bjerknes

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Bozi.78 said:
watched the first half of bolton-spurs and tbh carrick never never got near the ball, therefore spurs never got going at all, carrick is an excellent player but needs to be the focal point and tbh i cant see sven groanin erektion ever using him as the focal point of the england team before stevie g or lampard
Personally I see him as the perfect link between the back and the more forward Lampard or Gerrard. I also doubt Sven would field him before those two latter players, however he should easily be included in the sqaud. The guy can make some pretty sick passes from time to time and I think England could use his stability in the side.
 

Bozi

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Andy said:
Personally I see him being the link between the back and the more forward Lampard or Gerrard. I also doubt Sven would field him before those two latter players, however he should easily be included in the sqaud. The guy can make some pretty sick passes from time to time and I think England could use his stability in the side.
i totally agree with you on this, i think it would be extremely foolosh of sven to leave him behind, the guy is an excellent passer of the ball and can link play very well. however sven sees gerrard as that player and if needed he will drop beckham into there:oops: for his range of passing( his lack of balls and tackling ability are another thing)carrick would be in the squad if i was manager but i get this feeling that sven does not feel he needs him in the squad
 

Respaul

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Bozi.78 said:
i totally agree with you on this, i think it would be extremely foolosh of sven to leave him behind, the guy is an excellent passer of the ball and can link play very well. however sven sees gerrard as that player and if needed he will drop beckham into there:oops: for his range of passing( his lack of balls and tackling ability are another thing)carrick would be in the squad if i was manager but i get this feeling that sven does not feel he needs him in the squad
You may well see that change with rooney's injury...

What with the lack of real confidence in any of our other forwards and gerard being the closest we have to waynes deep role (plus hes done it to great effect numerous times for pool this season).. we may well see, carrick and lamps in the centre with stevie playing off of owen up front... The most natural solution to the loss of wayne...
 

Bozi

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Respaul said:
You may well see that change with rooney's injury...

What with the lack of real confidence in any of our other forwards and gerard being the closest we have to waynes deep role (plus hes done it to great effect numerous times for pool this season).. we may well see, carrick and lamps in the centre with stevie playing off of owen up front... The most natural solution to the loss of wayne...
that would leave you a little light up top and with no-one to hold the ball up (not owens real strength0 therefore sven would probably opt for crouch (every england fans worst nihtmare) while i respect owens abilities as a great scorer and a forward he cannot hold the ball up or link well with midfield
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Respaul said:
You may well see that change with rooney's injury...

What with the lack of real confidence in any of our other forwards and gerard being the closest we have to waynes deep role (plus hes done it to great effect numerous times for pool this season).. we may well see, carrick and lamps in the centre with stevie playing off of owen up front... The most natural solution to the loss of wayne...
I concur, that would make the most sense to me. I could see Gerrard taking that role slightly behind Owen and have Lampard roam around through the center and come back to pick up the ball from Carrick. Beckham would take the right side and have Carrick or Parker behind him, while with Parker on the left side of midfield Cole could have his way going forward a bit more. I guess I still have doubts over whether Gerrard and Lamps could work together in such a role, though.

Robinson

G Neville - Ferdinand - Terry - A Cole

Beckham - Carrick - Parker

Gerrard - Lampard

Owen
 

Respaul

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Bozi.78 said:
that would leave you a little light up top and with no-one to hold the ball up (not owens real strength0 therefore sven would probably opt for crouch (every england fans worst nihtmare) while i respect owens abilities as a great scorer and a forward he cannot hold the ball up or link well with midfield
So, your saying that stevie cant hold the ball up and cant link the midfield to the attack ?

Even though he has done it to great effect, numerous times in the last 18 months... Have to disagree with that..
 

Bjerknes

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Bozi.78 said:
that would leave you a little light up top and with no-one to hold the ball up (not owens real strength0 therefore sven would probably opt for crouch (every england fans worst nihtmare) while i respect owens abilities as a great scorer and a forward he cannot hold the ball up or link well with midfield
I'm not sure they would need someone to hold the ball up with such a strong midfield. When Gerrard gets a bit more forward he can hold the ball up rather nicely, and with that midfield filled with a bunch of talented players they should have a lot of the posession. I seriously cannot see Crouch or any other forward besides Rooney and Owen starting for England.
 

Bozi

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Respaul said:
So, your saying that stevie cant hold the ball up and cant link the midfield to the attack ?

Even though he has done it to great effect, numerous times in the last 18 months... Have to disagree with that..
no i am saying that when the team are under pressur eand need a forward to hold the ball up michael owen is not the player for that, especially on his own up front. the reason the owen rooney partnership works is because rooney works well as the link between front line and midfield. owen up front on his own would be a massive step to england limping out of the tournament
 

Respaul

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Andy said:
I still have doubts over whether Gerrard and Lamps could work together in such a role, though.
Having stevie playing the link role is imo much more condusive to a working partnership between the 2... its when they are next to each other in the centre that they get in each others way...

Though with a full strength squad... personally i would drop lamps... hes been average all season and is not as complete as stevie anyway...
 

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