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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
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Feels like the sane people are being crushed from both sides. On one side you have the fascists, who want to deport all Muslims (and other non-white immigrants), on the other you have the regressive left, who will refuse to condemn radical Islam no matter what.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
:sergio:
it's exactly what you mean. because some corrupt politicians have made deals with them, you say it like all people in the west consider them allies
I never said that though. I'm talking governments and powers on both sides and because you have democratic systems and can exercise your civil rights, I find it more likely for you guys to be able to do something about this situation than say people in my country who live under a dictatorship or Syrians who live under bombs. That said, I don't think even that'd work. That's how hopelessly I see the situation.

Iran and ISIS have the same objectives in regards to who their enemies are. We will see them fighting in the same team before we see them fight themselves IMO.
Flynn btw asked imam Khomeini to stand against radical islam :touched:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/14/gen-flynn-islamic-world-leaders-need-stand
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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how is that different from saying the US and ISIS have the same goals?

Both want to get rid of Bashar al Assad and his regime in Syria.

Both are enemies of Iran.




How so? I think the number of people killed during and in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion has been so much higher than the deaths caused by Saddam prior to the invasion.



i won't dispute that. Saying the west, like the US and Switzerland are the same thing is just as bad.



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In what way was the war in Iraq not a failure?

Those who waged the war have said multiple times that regime change was not the goal, perhaps the means to reach their goal, but it wasn't a goal in itself. Is Iraq not worse off after Saddam? Of course it is, by all measures it is a lot worse. Is the world a safer place as a result of the Iraq war? of course not, on the contrary you've given ISIS a stronghold.
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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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And the festival of selective half-hearted indignations begins, let's of course not forget indignation veiled bigotry too
So true. Indignation is the socially acceptable cloak for bigotry.

Yes we are all crazy but you are the sane one. Zerohedge says hi btw.
:lol:

Actually, the West can be blamed for the Paris and Nice attacks, because they didn't send ground troops to destroy ISIS. It's long overdue and it's shameful that the civilized world tolerates this freak.
I think you're missing the underlying point of the tragic news stories of the past few months while the caliphate has gone to dog shit.

Iran and ISIS have the same objectives in regards to who their enemies are. We will see them fighting in the same team before we see them fight themselves IMO.
It's OK, Hustini. We all make mistakes and we still love you. :heart:

*images of Shia and Sunni singing side-by-side to Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder's "Ebony and Ivory"...*

What on earth are you babbling on about? How you followed the public debate since 2001? Have you seen the dramatic voter leap towards right wing nationalist? How you seen in just what degree freedom have been limited for everyday europeans to prevent terrorism? Have you noticed how many countries Nato or western coalations have bombed in the name of "war against terrorism"?

Your solution is a DDR-like state, but that would mean that every single liberal/democratic-value we are currently defending is lost. And no one even those with a limited intellectual bone can ever, ever justify becoming a totalitarian regime in the war against a totalitarian idea. I hope even you understand the absurdity.

And yes, there's a price to pay for freedom and yes, people have a tendency to go on with their life despite the horrible events. It basic psychology.
Booya.

As the pony-tailed laydeez man with the bifocals sez, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

A post-factual internet kiddo strikes again.

[rant]

If you don't fit my bill, I'll just call you names"I know the truth about an extremely complicated matter and I've decided that the Iraq War was a good idea, because who knows? Maybe Saddam would have gotten his hands on Nuclear Weapons (despite him not being no where close) and he could have bombed the entire western world.

Yeah, screw all the evidence we have about a failed war that caused a mayhem in the middle east (Are there any one with academic credibility that denies this?) and the biggest refugee crisis since Hitler had a hard tiem getting a boner.

Screw the Chilcot report. It's just left wing pacifist bullshit ot at least I can ignore it if I just give it a fake bias.

Holy banana split of the ice cream world, you are simple-minded. It's okay to be wrong once in a while. The smartest people are often wrong.

Just look at the middle east, just look at the people who build ISIS. their organisation has clear Ba'athist-roots.

for fucks sake

I fucking hate the post-factual times we live in.

And yes, you find post factual retards in every single corner of every single political spectrum.

[rant over]
A necessary rant. This is as insidious in modern society as guns in America and Islamic terrorism on earth.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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I never said that though. I'm talking governments and powers on both sides and because you have democratic systems and can exercise your civil rights, I find it more likely for you guys to be able to do something about this situation than say people in my country who live under a dictatorship or Syrians who live under bombs. That said, I don't think even that'd work. That's how hopelessly I see the situation.
Just remember we have representative democracies and we are only as smart as the information we receive.

I remember standing at the main square in Copenhagen demonstrating against the iraq invasion in march 2003. Don't think that fact will keep the terrorist from targetting me ;)
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,754
Just remember we have representative democracies and we are only as smart as the information we receive.

I remember standing at the main square in Copenhagen demonstrating against the iraq invasion in march 2003. Don't think that fact will keep the terrorist from targetting me ;)
I was in San Francisco doing the same... especially after hearing Scott Ritter talk about Iraq after the documentary he was in about how there wasn't any sign of WMDs, and he was the UN weapons inspector who was the biggest thorn in Saddam's side.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Just remember we have representative democracies and we are only as smart as the information we receive.

I remember standing at the main square in Copenhagen demonstrating against the iraq invasion in march 2003. Don't think that fact will keep the terrorist from targetting me ;)
Yeah and I respect you for that but muslims often can't do even that much, let alone "weeding out" the bad apples. I have yet to hear one single practical solution to this problem.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,754
@swag, I hope you didn't ignore my question :D
Whoops. I had to go back 10 pages... missed that. :D Sorry...

What is your position on intellegant design?
It's basically a hunch based on circumstantial evidence and a lot of extrapolation. In that sense I treat it as more of a faith than an evidence-based opinion, despite the arguments to the contrary.

We all need hypotheses though... just that most of them don't pan out to be factual in the end.
 

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