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IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,923
Nice boost? You act like a spoilt rich kid. No banks would lend you the money you need for this, if you're an "average Joe".

Oh, and @Völler
Rich kid :lol: It's funny how the entire forum thinks I'm rich because I have a maid. My family is middle class.

Did you read my post? You don't need a lot of capital for a startup. You don't have to start by selling houses. Any person with a decent salary can save up a good amount to start a biz... for instance, an importing business.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Rich kid :lol: It's funny how the entire forum thinks I'm rich because I have a maid. My family is middle class.

Did you read my post? You don't need a lot of capital for a startup. You don't have to start by selling houses. Any person with a decent salary can save up a good amount to start a biz... for instance, an importing business.
That's not what we were talking about. An embicil can start and run a business. And I didn't call you rich. I said you acted like one.
 

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
It's honestly sad. It should be up to the individual daycare to decide what they want to serve. The local authorities need to stay the fuck away. Of course, in reality this doesn't change much for the individual daycare. But by making a fuss out of this pseudo-problem, and by claiming that pork is somehow the most integral part of Danish food culture, the anti-immigrant parties are efficiently alienating the Muslims here even further. When you think about the fact that the whole story started because a single daycare removed pork from the menu to cut losses, and not because someone complained, it just makes the whole thing even more sad.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
It should have an impact (two high profile figures addressing a sensitive issue in drama queen fashion) and defenitely a too homogenous academy that needs diversity badly, but crying wolf like he did is nothing new for him, something he done his entire career. His objective has allways been a me-me-me attitude aken to a kindergarten kid.
 

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
It should have an impact (two high profile figures addressing a sensitive issue in drama queen fashion) and defenitely needs diversity badly, but crying wolf like he did is nothing new for him, something he done his entire career.
Yeah, it's typical Spike Lee. He always makes it about himself.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,750
It should have an impact (two high profile figures addressing a sensitive issue in drama queen fashion) and defenitely a too homogenous academy that needs diversity badly, but crying wolf like he did is nothing new for him, something he done his entire career. His objective has allways been a me-me-me attitude aken to a kindergarten kid.
I think they should replace Chris Rock with Kanye West as host, and he can basically inject himself with an "imma let you finish..." speech after each whitey gets an award.

That said, I think there's a lot of ignorance about how these things have always worked. I've seen several articles citing that money and box office is a factor in Oscar selections when in fact it's the complete opposite. Steven Spielberg has notoriously felt blacklisted by the Academy while art films and other film projects of overwrought obscurity have typically dominated the award categories over the years. This is not new, but everybody in the media seems to ask like this phenomenon doesn't and has never existed.

And the fact is pics like Straight Outta Compton make good bankroll and all, but it's no Steel Magnolias nor Terms of Endearment. Who are we kidding? Are we griping that Tyler Perry isn't ever going to win a deserving award now? Until black directors and actors make the kind of movies that black audiences avoid and yet appeal to auteur elitists who just so happen to be predominantly white, male Hollywood vets, it's a non-starter.

Have we honestly forgotten that Chuck D was ever born?


Whoah? Is that Ice Cube in dat?!? ;)

And let's face it... awards be awards. I've always thought the Grammy Awards were the biggest irrelevant joke on the planet... awards given to aging artists 20 years past their prime while younger innovators are always overlooked unless, and unlike the Oscars, they made big bank with pop songs.

And there's also a kind of public ignorance about audiences relating to the people and the storytellers that they more strongly identify with. If black audiences want to see rap and hip hop set to film, more power to that. But you're not going to get some 60-year-old Jewish dude in West Hollywood identifying with it. Expecting that is even more ridiculous. Why else does a group like the Beastie Boys -- whom I adore (and hey, I'm white) -- have so many rabid followers in the likes of Ben Stiller, Sofia Coppola, etc. who would never dare show up to a Gucci Mane show? Is that racist? Or is that just following the path of Elvis in experiencing a stronger cultural relationship with an artist?

Is Richard Dreyfuss not fapping over Creed any more racist than Ice Cube not fapping over Terms of Endearment?

It's true that as long as the Academy is a bunch of old white dudes, they're going to most honor the work that a bunch of old white dudes can relate to. I like some of the conversations going about segregation and the pros and cons of a BET Awards, for example. But is it really better to pretend some professional industry association needs a racial, gender, and sexual orientation quota that must mirror the latest U.S. Census data on a regular basis? And why should that one academy be anointed as the end-all, be-all of professional acknowledgement in an industry?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,326
He is a pathetic little egodriven man (so naturally he wants to be on stage getting award with the others of his kind).

Compare that, to this when you isten to Ice Cubes down to earth response to this particular issue:

Lol, Laurie was hugely impressed.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,326
He is a pathetic little egodriven man (so naturally he wants to be on stage getting award with the others of his kind).

Compare that, to this when you isten to Ice Cubes down to earth response to this particular issue:

Lol, Laurie was hugely impressed.
 

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
That said, I think there's a lot of ignorance about how these things have always worked. I've seen several articles citing that money and box office is a factor in Oscar selections when in fact it's the complete opposite. Steven Spielberg has notoriously felt blacklisted by the Academy while art films and other film projects of overwrought obscurity have typically dominated the award categories over the years. This is not new, but everybody in the media seems to ask like this phenomenon doesn't and has never existed.
With the exception of Jaws, Spielberg has been nominated for pretty much every turd he has shat out. That being said, I don't really think you can compare the Oscars pre-2000 to now. Marketing and lobbying are much more important now than it was before.

And of course box office is a factor. Academy members receive dozens of screeners every season. It's only natural to assume that they are generally more inclined to watch the more succesful movies. Because they're not going to watch every movie they get. That being said, the subject matter and the reception are surely more important. But a succesful movie, whether it's a blockbuster like The Martian or a small indie movie like Brooklyn making a lot of money for its size, is always going to be more attracting than a well-reviewed box office failure like Steve Jobs.

And there's also a kind of public ignorance about audiences relating to the people and the storytellers that they more strongly identify with. If black audiences want to see rap and hip hop set to film, more power to that. But you're not going to get some 60-year-old Jewish dude in West Hollywood identifying with it. Expecting that is even more ridiculous. Why else does a group like the Beastie Boys -- whom I adore (and hey, I'm white) -- have so many rabid followers in the likes of Ben Stiller, Sofia Coppola, etc. who would never dare show up to a Gucci Mane show? Is that racist? Or is that just following the path of Elvis in experiencing a stronger cultural relationship with an artist?

Is Richard Dreyfuss not fapping over Creed any more racist than Ice Cube not fapping over Terms of Endearment?

It's true that as long as the Academy is a bunch of old white dudes, they're going to most honor the work that a bunch of old white dudes can relate to. I like some of the conversations going about segregation and the pros and cons of a BET Awards, for example. But is it really better to pretend some professional industry association needs a racial, gender, and sexual orientation quota that must mirror the latest U.S. Census data on a regular basis? And why should that one academy be anointed as the end-all, be-all of professional acknowledgement in an industry?
Regardless of whether or not the Oscars should be acknowledged as the end-all and be-all, I don't see the issue in them trying to adjust their membership demographics to "lead the way" for the rest of the industry, so to speak. In 2012 the Oscar voters were 94% caucasian with an median age of 62, after all. Of course, the primary problem is not that Straight Outta Compton or Creed were not nominated, but rather the lack of movies by and with minorities in the film industry in general. The hope is that this change by the Oscars will somehow affect the film industry. I think this is a fine way of addressing the lack of diversity in the industry.
 

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