Depends on country and subject. Studying STEM I have never heard anything remotely political from any prof ever Moreover you are free to not attend any class and just go to the exams.
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You may be right about that, but the hard reality is that it doesn't matter. Unless you can convince business and society at large with that, the fact remains that you have to have a degree, or you'll have a very hard time in the job market. If you start your own business or are self made it matters much less I'd imagine, but if you go into the job market; try telling your interviewer that you think college is a tool to subdue the masses 
That's not the point he was making at all though.
That's not the point he was making at all though.
dont know what stem is, but im pretty sure you needed somebody's permission to go take a shit
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it does matter, any company that hires anyone tries first and foremost to establish competency, with the assumption that a school degree kind of guarantees that. The hard reality is it doesnt, any company hiring a fresh grad accounts for about a 3-6 months training period where they dont expect any output from the new hiree. Moreover, anything that guarantees you a job after school also requires a certificate, ex: CPA, all tech certs... Fact is degrees are way overrated, and if your concern is a job you can easily learn a trade or train on the job with much better results imo
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You may be right about that, but the hard reality is that it doesn't matter. Unless you can convince business and society at large with that, the fact remains that you have to have a degree, or you'll have a very hard time in the job market. If you start your own business or are self made it matters much less I'd imagine, but if you go into the job market; try telling your interviewer that you think college is a tool to subdue the masses
That's not the point he was making at all though.
That's not the point he was making at all though.
it does matter, any company that hires anyone tries first and foremost to establish competency, with the assumption that a school degree kind of guarantees that. The hard reality is it doesnt, any company hiring a fresh grad accounts for about a 3-6 months training period where they dont expect any output from the new hiree. Moreover, anything that guarantees you a job after school also requires a certificate, ex: CPA, all tech certs... Fact is degrees are way overrated, and if your concern is a job you can easily learn a trade or train on the job with much better results imo
I completely agree with you, I work in HR and can tell you firsthand, there isn't always a strong correlation between having a degree, and competence or performance. Anyone will tell you that on the job performance, especially when done right, is one of the best ways to ensure an employee performs his duties adequately. But the problem is, most companies would screen out those without degrees for the decent entry level jobs. That's probably still the case in the US too, I would imagine.
a degree from a good school might get you an interview, but so would good social skills and ability to market yourself well, which brings us back to why school sucks, it teaches one uniform way of going about things which everyone follows thinking it's the only way.
Anyways, to anyone wanting to go to college i say, go for either dentistry, engineering(especially in the US), or applied math. The rest is not a good value, or just a waste of time altogether imo.
Anyways, to anyone wanting to go to college i say, go for either dentistry, engineering(especially in the US), or applied math. The rest is not a good value, or just a waste of time altogether imo.
I'm in Law school, paying about 4000$ per year (I go to McGill in Montreal). I know that going to Law School isn't a good idea in the US unless you get in a T14 school because there is an overflow of Law grads, but it isn't the case here in Canada. Here unemployment for law graduates is very low and the jobs are good.
So Law school is worth it here, so is Med School and a few other degrees like Actuarial Sciences, Engineering, dentistry, applied math.
So Law school is worth it here, so is Med School and a few other degrees like Actuarial Sciences, Engineering, dentistry, applied math.
if it aint hardvard level, dont bother
for reals though, if you have time and money learn something useful(MBA is not), or just travel the world, or open a business!
for reals though, if you have time and money learn something useful(MBA is not), or just travel the world, or open a business!
Nay, its going to be one of the good Canadian Schools or Europe. For me right now, it's about global mobility and career change, an mba from a good school will do me a world of good in that regard.
I know most of the big consulting firms hire heavily from business schools, so in that respect an mba does have value
If you're going to enter the job market, a bachelors degree has become a minimum pre-requisite. I know that, it's not always smart to do that, and you risk excluding people who do not have degrees, but can perform a certain job as well as or better than someone who does have a degree, but the fact of the matter is, in this day and age when job markets are saturated, and thousands of applicants apply for jobs, one of the most common ways of "screening out" is screening out those who do not have degrees.
So in short, unless you're Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet or someone like that, you better have a university degree
So in short, unless you're Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet or someone like that, you better have a university degree
Yea I got it now. His points are legit in some branches but as soon as expertise is required on the job, a suit and a smile are not an alternative to many years of hard work.
Not even in a metaphorical way, no
At school I feel like they gave us a formidable general knowledge on all fields.
At university it depends on the subject but in general I agree with you. University is not the institution where students have a cup of coffee discussing Kant. They rush from class to class, hoping to win the rat race. Yet nobody is handcuffing them to read books, visit art exhibitions and attend concerts in their free time.
Not even in a metaphorical way, no
At school I feel like they gave us a formidable general knowledge on all fields.
At university it depends on the subject but in general I agree with you. University is not the institution where students have a cup of coffee discussing Kant. They rush from class to class, hoping to win the rat race. Yet nobody is handcuffing them to read books, visit art exhibitions and attend concerts in their free time.
I agree, anybody can go grab a business degree from a college somewhere, it's not difficult. Engineering and applied math degrees are certainly some of the best.
But that's actually a good thing. Too many folks have art or history degrees that are basically worthless in the job market. Leverage that against generation who is lazy to begin with and you have problems.
Getting a college degree is similar to opening a business. You have to weigh your start up costs and have to calculate the return on investment. If you spend $100,000 on an education and do not have any real marketable skills, that's a pretty poor strategy. On the other hand, if you can lock in a degree at $50,000 and a job over $50,000 per year, you can break even several years down the road minus living expenses. Thank God my employer pays for my Masters.
But that's actually a good thing. Too many folks have art or history degrees that are basically worthless in the job market. Leverage that against generation who is lazy to begin with and you have problems.
Getting a college degree is similar to opening a business. You have to weigh your start up costs and have to calculate the return on investment. If you spend $100,000 on an education and do not have any real marketable skills, that's a pretty poor strategy. On the other hand, if you can lock in a degree at $50,000 and a job over $50,000 per year, you can break even several years down the road minus living expenses. Thank God my employer pays for my Masters.
It's not in higher demand here, it's just that universities here are all public and the government prevents them from enrolling too many students in some fields like law, so the market is not saturated with law graduates.
In the US, universities hire as many students as they want to milk more money from them, regardless of demand.
In the US, universities hire as many students as they want to milk more money from them, regardless of demand.
That's pretty cool. We have more engineering college seats than there are students. In my state alone, there are colleges that don't have a single student for some engineering streams.
(India has very few universities. Colleges are affiliated to these universities and the degree the student earn is the from the university, not the college)
(India has very few universities. Colleges are affiliated to these universities and the degree the student earn is the from the university, not the college)