New Juve scandal: Moggi talking to referees (24 Viewers)
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So Juve never really won a game on there own? We have this gifted players and they can't win on there own without the help of the ref. Come On! 
How about this: Who says Adriano Galliani Vice President of Milan and the Seria A President doesn't make any decisions that will favor his team? Just wondering...... :rolleyes2
How about this: Who says Adriano Galliani Vice President of Milan and the Seria A President doesn't make any decisions that will favor his team? Just wondering...... :rolleyes2
Loppan said:
So Juve never really won a game on there own? We have this gifted players and they can't win on there own without the help of the ref. Come On!
How about this: Who says Adriano Galliani Vice President of Milan and the Seria A President doesn't make any decisions that will favor his team? Just wondering...... :rolleyes2
How about this: Who says Adriano Galliani Vice President of Milan and the Seria A President doesn't make any decisions that will favor his team? Just wondering...... :rolleyes2
mate galliani is an angel
( he is the biggest joke in the world for heavens sake) oh lord milan never cheat come on berlesconi has more power than moggi or the juventus board could ever dream of.its funny how all this crap came out when milan got knocked out of the cl. question is would all this have happened if milan was in the finals of the cl??????
the answer is no but since milan is a sore lozers club they made up this they want to come out with sth this season its been two very dry season one of which was damn humilating ( against liverpool three goals in 6 mins)
to be honest all this crap is not harming juventus infact its making it stronger (mark my words we will be superb next seasona nd cl here we come iam sooooooooo confident ahead of the coming season) as for the clubs reputation its getting more publicity now and this means one thing milan are proven to be cheap lairs and sore, whinning bitches!!!!!!!! as for the supporters and die hard fans like us it means nothing what soooooooo ever infact i will live a true juventino and die a true juventino whether we play in seria A or seria B or even the satans league cos i know this teams history is built by great soccer, players and superbly loyal fans and supporters not in italy only but the entire globe.
forzaaaaaaa juve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
juve_ruler said:
mate galliani is an angel
its funny how all this crap came out when milan got knocked out of the cl. question is would all this have happened if milan was in the finals of the cl??????
the answer is no but since milan is a sore lozers club they made up this they want to come out with sth this season its been two very dry season one of which was damn humilating ( against liverpool three goals in 6 mins)
to be honest all this crap is not harming juventus infact its making it stronger (mark my words we will be superb next seasona nd cl here we come iam sooooooooo confident ahead of the coming season) as for the clubs reputation its getting more publicity now and this means one thing milan are proven to be cheap lairs and sore, whinning bitches!!!!!!!! as for the supporters and die hard fans like us it means nothing what soooooooo ever infact i will live a true juventino and die a true juventino whether we play in seria A or seria B or even the satans league cos i know this teams history is built by great soccer, players and superbly loyal fans and supporters not in italy only but the entire globe.
forzaaaaaaa juve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its funny how all this crap came out when milan got knocked out of the cl. question is would all this have happened if milan was in the finals of the cl??????
the answer is no but since milan is a sore lozers club they made up this they want to come out with sth this season its been two very dry season one of which was damn humilating ( against liverpool three goals in 6 mins)
to be honest all this crap is not harming juventus infact its making it stronger (mark my words we will be superb next seasona nd cl here we come iam sooooooooo confident ahead of the coming season) as for the clubs reputation its getting more publicity now and this means one thing milan are proven to be cheap lairs and sore, whinning bitches!!!!!!!! as for the supporters and die hard fans like us it means nothing what soooooooo ever infact i will live a true juventino and die a true juventino whether we play in seria A or seria B or even the satans league cos i know this teams history is built by great soccer, players and superbly loyal fans and supporters not in italy only but the entire globe.
forzaaaaaaa juve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unsportsmanlike Conduct in Italian Soccer?
Soccer grips the hearts and minds of Italians like nothing else. So when a major scandal rocked the national sport in early May, Italians up and down the country were wringing their hands in despair and disbelief. If news reports prove true, Italian soccer fans have good reason to be upset.
Top managers at Juventus, the country's best team, including the 68-year-old general manager, Luciano Moggi, have been implicated in a scheme in which they are said to have influenced or even bribed referees, athletes, and the media. The news reports stem from recently released mobile phone wiretaps and other evidence in a multi-year investigation by the city of Turin's public prosecutor.
The scandal couldn't have erupted at a worse time for Italian soccer, just one month before the start of the World Cup competition. And new documents expected to be made public next week could widen the scandal to other soccer clubs and referees. Moggi declined comment other than to say on Italian TV that he views the entire affair as "a farce." But the scandal is already a black mark for the sport.
No Laws Broken
"Even if [it turns out] there was no proof of corruption, there was the scent of corruption in the Turin case," says Fabio Ravezzani, director of sports for television channel Telelombardia. "Italy will present itself very badly at the World Cup."
Turin's public prosecutor's office sparked the current controversy when it released the wiretaps upon finishing its investigation, which concluded that no laws had been broken. Nonetheless, the findings underscore for many Italian soccer fans the shortcomings of the Italian soccer federation's self-regulatory mechanisms. For instance, one released transcript contains a conversation in which Moggi appears to be pressuring a Federation official to appoint referees that would favor Juventus. Officials at Juventus declined comment.
The scandal is already starting to take its toll. On May 8, the head of the soccer federation, Franco Carraro, resigned his position to take responsibility for lapses in oversight, though he has not been implicated in any of the allegations. Fan blogs and the Italian media have moved into overdrive commenting on what many in Italy see as a soccer system gone bad and the sense that everything people watch -- games, talk shows, championships -- has been rigged.
To Market
Commentators note that the structure of the Italian soccer federation is ripe for conflicts of interest. "For too many years the same people have been occupying all the power seats," said Antonio Di Pietro, the leading public prosecutor in the Milan corruption scandals of the 1990s and now a member of Parliament, in a recent TV interview. One blogger puts it more succinctly. "Squalor!" cries blogger Giuseppe on a popular Web site.
The soccer federation's headaches will likely only intensify. Separate investigations are still under way in Rome and Naples that could result in criminal charges, according to published reports in Italy. The soccer federation has also opened an investigation of its own. And since Juventus stock trades on the Milan exchange, stock market watchdog Consob is reviewing its activities.
The regulator wants to know whether Juventus hid or distorted market-sensitive information, and why its shares rose more than 12% after the scandal broke. Consob also is probing rumors that Juventus could seek a delisting of its shares. Juventus officials declined to comment on the investigations.
Family Affair
The Naples investigation is particularly tangled. Prosecutors there are looking into an agency called Gea World that represents coaches, players, and referees, according to press reports. Gea World was founded by the sons and daughters of four prominent Italian men: Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi; Calisto Tanzi, the former head of Parmalat and the Parma soccer team; Sergio Cragnotti, the former head of Cirio and the Lazio soccer team; and Cesare Geronzi, the Capitalia bank chairman under investigation in connection with the Parmalat bankruptcy.
Gea World is faced with possible conflict of interest issues because it handles the contracts of athletes and coaches and is supposed to be negotiating on their behalf. But many in Italy suspect that the agency, because it is run by the sons and daughters of club owners, isn't always negotiating with the players' and coaches' best interests in mind. Gea World officials declined to comment on the Naples investigation.
Broken Dreams
Next week the prosecutors are expected to close their top-secret probe and ask the court to decide whether to send the case to trial. At that stage it is likely that the text of the wiretaps will be made public -- whether or not the case does go to trial -- giving fans and bloggers new fodder in the ever-passionate tragicomedy of Italian sports.
That would just add insult to injury for an already disillusioned Italian public. "If the allegations are true, my boyhood dreams have been crushed," says Sebastiano Russo, a 40-year-old Milan deliveryman and fan of Juventus, expressing a widely held view. "Soccer is supposed to be a clean game."
Maureen Kline
Buisness Week
Soccer grips the hearts and minds of Italians like nothing else. So when a major scandal rocked the national sport in early May, Italians up and down the country were wringing their hands in despair and disbelief. If news reports prove true, Italian soccer fans have good reason to be upset.
Top managers at Juventus, the country's best team, including the 68-year-old general manager, Luciano Moggi, have been implicated in a scheme in which they are said to have influenced or even bribed referees, athletes, and the media. The news reports stem from recently released mobile phone wiretaps and other evidence in a multi-year investigation by the city of Turin's public prosecutor.
The scandal couldn't have erupted at a worse time for Italian soccer, just one month before the start of the World Cup competition. And new documents expected to be made public next week could widen the scandal to other soccer clubs and referees. Moggi declined comment other than to say on Italian TV that he views the entire affair as "a farce." But the scandal is already a black mark for the sport.
No Laws Broken
"Even if [it turns out] there was no proof of corruption, there was the scent of corruption in the Turin case," says Fabio Ravezzani, director of sports for television channel Telelombardia. "Italy will present itself very badly at the World Cup."
Turin's public prosecutor's office sparked the current controversy when it released the wiretaps upon finishing its investigation, which concluded that no laws had been broken. Nonetheless, the findings underscore for many Italian soccer fans the shortcomings of the Italian soccer federation's self-regulatory mechanisms. For instance, one released transcript contains a conversation in which Moggi appears to be pressuring a Federation official to appoint referees that would favor Juventus. Officials at Juventus declined comment.
The scandal is already starting to take its toll. On May 8, the head of the soccer federation, Franco Carraro, resigned his position to take responsibility for lapses in oversight, though he has not been implicated in any of the allegations. Fan blogs and the Italian media have moved into overdrive commenting on what many in Italy see as a soccer system gone bad and the sense that everything people watch -- games, talk shows, championships -- has been rigged.
To Market
Commentators note that the structure of the Italian soccer federation is ripe for conflicts of interest. "For too many years the same people have been occupying all the power seats," said Antonio Di Pietro, the leading public prosecutor in the Milan corruption scandals of the 1990s and now a member of Parliament, in a recent TV interview. One blogger puts it more succinctly. "Squalor!" cries blogger Giuseppe on a popular Web site.
The soccer federation's headaches will likely only intensify. Separate investigations are still under way in Rome and Naples that could result in criminal charges, according to published reports in Italy. The soccer federation has also opened an investigation of its own. And since Juventus stock trades on the Milan exchange, stock market watchdog Consob is reviewing its activities.
The regulator wants to know whether Juventus hid or distorted market-sensitive information, and why its shares rose more than 12% after the scandal broke. Consob also is probing rumors that Juventus could seek a delisting of its shares. Juventus officials declined to comment on the investigations.
Family Affair
The Naples investigation is particularly tangled. Prosecutors there are looking into an agency called Gea World that represents coaches, players, and referees, according to press reports. Gea World was founded by the sons and daughters of four prominent Italian men: Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi; Calisto Tanzi, the former head of Parmalat and the Parma soccer team; Sergio Cragnotti, the former head of Cirio and the Lazio soccer team; and Cesare Geronzi, the Capitalia bank chairman under investigation in connection with the Parmalat bankruptcy.
Gea World is faced with possible conflict of interest issues because it handles the contracts of athletes and coaches and is supposed to be negotiating on their behalf. But many in Italy suspect that the agency, because it is run by the sons and daughters of club owners, isn't always negotiating with the players' and coaches' best interests in mind. Gea World officials declined to comment on the Naples investigation.
Broken Dreams
Next week the prosecutors are expected to close their top-secret probe and ask the court to decide whether to send the case to trial. At that stage it is likely that the text of the wiretaps will be made public -- whether or not the case does go to trial -- giving fans and bloggers new fodder in the ever-passionate tragicomedy of Italian sports.
That would just add insult to injury for an already disillusioned Italian public. "If the allegations are true, my boyhood dreams have been crushed," says Sebastiano Russo, a 40-year-old Milan deliveryman and fan of Juventus, expressing a widely held view. "Soccer is supposed to be a clean game."
Maureen Kline
Buisness Week
this is pure envy and jealousy shown by a person who still supports a team that has won nothing since 1989 this makes it what bfc82 17 years of nothing!!!!!!!!!!!
why the hell should people like us hang our heads in shame did we humilate our selves the way inter did against villareal when they harassed sorin???????
u know what we deserve all these league titles, i dont need inter fan to tell me we dont, and dont convince yr self that we own the league just becasue u never win it does'nt mean that juve owns it, it just means that intermilan is a joke of a club. i'd rather bring an end to my life if i was an inter supporter. poooooooor morritie he invests in a club that cant win anything but the italian cup
get alife mate seriously or even better go get some thearpy and learn how to be human and come back to this forum. i see sign if hope with yr case by u admiting inter is not a good team i will be here waiting for yr arrival hopefully u will be a normal human.
by the way u r soooooooo damn empty u r actually debating how stuipid is spelled so i really dont expect any good information form you. now go celebrate coppa italia god knows when u will win anything of value.
why the hell should people like us hang our heads in shame did we humilate our selves the way inter did against villareal when they harassed sorin???????
u know what we deserve all these league titles, i dont need inter fan to tell me we dont, and dont convince yr self that we own the league just becasue u never win it does'nt mean that juve owns it, it just means that intermilan is a joke of a club. i'd rather bring an end to my life if i was an inter supporter. poooooooor morritie he invests in a club that cant win anything but the italian cup
get alife mate seriously or even better go get some thearpy and learn how to be human and come back to this forum. i see sign if hope with yr case by u admiting inter is not a good team i will be here waiting for yr arrival hopefully u will be a normal human.
by the way u r soooooooo damn empty u r actually debating how stuipid is spelled so i really dont expect any good information form you. now go celebrate coppa italia god knows when u will win anything of value.
its his opinion seven, there are several people here who seem to think this way, it is wrong to look at others when we have so many problems, but this does not constitute a ban mate,show him the errors in his statememnt and move on man.
haha even if juve get relegated inter would screw up their chances of scudetto success
haha even if juve get relegated inter would screw up their chances of scudetto success
exectly lets sort out our own house before we strart mud0slinging, otherwise we will be no better than the inter/roma/fiorentina fans who cry conspiracy every time juve wins the title, or even just wins a game, we are better than that but lets sort ourselves out and let the others worry about thier own affaifrs
and here they are:
C'è anche il Milan sotto inchiesta
La società rossonera con Juve, Lazio e Fiorentina fra i club maggiormente coinvolti. 41 inviti a comparire: tra gli indagati Carraro, Lotito, Andrea Della Valle e nove arbitri
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Altro_Calcio/Primo_Piano/2006/05_Maggio/11/bufera.shtml
C'è anche il Milan sotto inchiesta
La società rossonera con Juve, Lazio e Fiorentina fra i club maggiormente coinvolti. 41 inviti a comparire: tra gli indagati Carraro, Lotito, Andrea Della Valle e nove arbitri
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Altro_Calcio/Primo_Piano/2006/05_Maggio/11/bufera.shtml
Ok we all understand the money = power. So let me see if this is right Moratti has more money than Juventus all together.. He is so freakin rich that all the money he is putting in Inter is nothing compared to what he actually has. I don't want to go into "refs mistakes" this season in favour of lets say inter because those are refs mistakes.. But don't come and say that we own the league.. If we really did own the league thsoe scandals won't be on every news paper and the milanista hand behind it won't be so desprate to icnrease teh rumors to chatters Juve before the sunday game....
I will give you more rumors.. Hell I can create them all know if you want. I can give 10 rumors about any club in 1 minutes. If I OWNED the press (which is located in both Rome and MIlano if you did not know and funded by Milan, Inter, Roma and Lazio) I would've made a field day with my rumors.. hmm just late whats happening now.
heck with that,, who is the president of the Calcio.. Is it Moggi? Is it Giraudo? Is Bettega? Is anyone from the Agnelli or the Elkanns???? Who was the primeminister of Italy? was it Johan Elkann... or was it Andrea Agnelli?
Dude your team has been awarded so many penalties this season and most of them are not only fishy smelly, a blinded possed ref won't even award them.. But hey I won't come and say you tipped the ref, I will say damn inter they got lucky on this one..
Dude I feel sorry for Moratti. Investing all that money on a team that cannot put a decent performance on the field and can't win a series of wins together. Inter cannot win whether it was CL or Serie A. In 2004 when Juve were really sad and trying to correct their mistakes when they reached down to 3rd place Inter were celebrating 4th place THAT is the difference between our two beloved clubs. Damn if Juve had 1/4 of the money moratti is spending on Inter I really don't know what would've happenned.. We might end up winning the scudetto with Ancelloti .
So dude don't come saying we own the league..
I will give you more rumors.. Hell I can create them all know if you want. I can give 10 rumors about any club in 1 minutes. If I OWNED the press (which is located in both Rome and MIlano if you did not know and funded by Milan, Inter, Roma and Lazio) I would've made a field day with my rumors.. hmm just late whats happening now.
heck with that,, who is the president of the Calcio.. Is it Moggi? Is it Giraudo? Is Bettega? Is anyone from the Agnelli or the Elkanns???? Who was the primeminister of Italy? was it Johan Elkann... or was it Andrea Agnelli?
Dude your team has been awarded so many penalties this season and most of them are not only fishy smelly, a blinded possed ref won't even award them.. But hey I won't come and say you tipped the ref, I will say damn inter they got lucky on this one..
Dude I feel sorry for Moratti. Investing all that money on a team that cannot put a decent performance on the field and can't win a series of wins together. Inter cannot win whether it was CL or Serie A. In 2004 when Juve were really sad and trying to correct their mistakes when they reached down to 3rd place Inter were celebrating 4th place THAT is the difference between our two beloved clubs. Damn if Juve had 1/4 of the money moratti is spending on Inter I really don't know what would've happenned.. We might end up winning the scudetto with Ancelloti
.So dude don't come saying we own the league..