There is obviously something wrong within our club. Anybody who denies this now is simply not looking at the facts. What a sad day for Juventus of Turin.
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ZAF3000 said:
To go further more, when Emerson, Zebina and Capello went to Rome for the game they were shouted at, called trators and sweared at.
When Zizo came to turin to get his ass handed to him (twice
) he was aplaused and cheered at for his acheivement and history with their beloved Juve.
Juve has Class.
When Zizo came to turin to get his ass handed to him (twice
) he was aplaused and cheered at for his acheivement and history with their beloved Juve.Juve has Class.
Italian Scandal: The Rash Erupts
Exposure of the extent of the scandal that is rocking Italian football to the core continues, with la Gazzetta dello Sport reporting that the Napoli magistrates investigating alleged wrong-doings by Juventus director Luciano Moggi and associates during the 2004/2005 season have revealed the names of the teams alleged to be involved in illegal activities.
La Gazzetta dello Sport’s first page indicates that, as well as Juventus, the teams currently under investigation are Fiorentina, Lazio, Udinese, Siena, Messina, Arezzo, Crotone, and Avellino.
The report adds that intercepted phone calls would demonstrate three of these teams have been involved in outright match-fixing, which would mean they could be end up being relegated.
The others clubs appear instead to be both accomplices and victims of Moggi’s network of alleged miscreants, but it has not been demonstated that they committed actual crimes.
Other sensitive information coming out of the investigation appears to demonstrate that Franco Carraro, who resigned as chief of the Italian football federation as a result of this scandal two days ago, knew about these wrong-doings, as did the heads of the referee selection committee of the 2004/2005 season, Luigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo.
In addition, Massimo De Santis, the referee who will represent Italy at the forthcoming World Cup, seems to have been in charge of the group of referees controlled by Moggi and the player agent company GEA.
For this reason, De Santis’ presence at the World Cup is now in severe doubt
Exposure of the extent of the scandal that is rocking Italian football to the core continues, with la Gazzetta dello Sport reporting that the Napoli magistrates investigating alleged wrong-doings by Juventus director Luciano Moggi and associates during the 2004/2005 season have revealed the names of the teams alleged to be involved in illegal activities.
La Gazzetta dello Sport’s first page indicates that, as well as Juventus, the teams currently under investigation are Fiorentina, Lazio, Udinese, Siena, Messina, Arezzo, Crotone, and Avellino.
The report adds that intercepted phone calls would demonstrate three of these teams have been involved in outright match-fixing, which would mean they could be end up being relegated.
The others clubs appear instead to be both accomplices and victims of Moggi’s network of alleged miscreants, but it has not been demonstated that they committed actual crimes.
Other sensitive information coming out of the investigation appears to demonstrate that Franco Carraro, who resigned as chief of the Italian football federation as a result of this scandal two days ago, knew about these wrong-doings, as did the heads of the referee selection committee of the 2004/2005 season, Luigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo.
In addition, Massimo De Santis, the referee who will represent Italy at the forthcoming World Cup, seems to have been in charge of the group of referees controlled by Moggi and the player agent company GEA.
For this reason, De Santis’ presence at the World Cup is now in severe doubt
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Let's summarize:
1) Trascripts of talking to refs: archived by both judge and Uefa
2) Investigations in Rome and Napoli: we don't know that much about it, it should be mostly Gea's.
3) Giraudo's accounting fraud: let's wait and see.
4) Illegal betting by 4-5 of our players: is this even true?
5) "Ex juventini" in the drug case: Padovano arrested, Vialli shouldn't have been on papers, if privacy means still something. He was indicated just as a consumer (which he has denied)
6) Juventus players with whores: alredy happened in 2001-2; doping use: acquitted in appeal.
7) Moggi behind Kennedy's assasination: Ah, no, this will be in tomorrow's newspapers.
What else?
Let's summarize:
1) Trascripts of talking to refs: archived by both judge and Uefa
2) Investigations in Rome and Napoli: we don't know that much about it, it should be mostly Gea's.
3) Giraudo's accounting fraud: let's wait and see.
4) Illegal betting by 4-5 of our players: is this even true?
5) "Ex juventini" in the drug case: Padovano arrested, Vialli shouldn't have been on papers, if privacy means still something. He was indicated just as a consumer (which he has denied)
6) Juventus players with whores: alredy happened in 2001-2; doping use: acquitted in appeal.
7) Moggi behind Kennedy's assasination: Ah, no, this will be in tomorrow's newspapers.
What else?
The Italian media are notoriously anti-Juve, they are blowing all of this out of proportion. Of course Moggi has done some questionable things, how else would he be able to pull of all those amazing transfer moves? And why do we have 3000 players on loan? So that they can play at 90% when they face us. All of that isn't illegal at all, it's simply a strategy. Certainly, not the most moral strategy there is, but it's the only way you can run a top club.
And don't get me started on other clubs. If it were us instead of Inter with the CL incident last year we would have been thrown out of the competition for ten years. And Berlusconi and Moratti throwing millions of Euros into their clubs is hardly fair, is it? Barcelona and Real Madrid are even worse financially. Real Madrid had debts over 300 million before they sold their training ground to the city for a truly ridiculous price. The local council agreed that the price was absurd, but 'it was time to do something back for the club'. Barcelona are even worse, they are currently 188 million (!!) Euros in the red, but that figure is clouded by their loan of 400 million Euros, making them the Spanish company in worst financial condition (officialy).
All of Europe's club are near to or over the line of legalness. People who now suddenly start bitching about Juve have simply been looking the other way for years now.
And don't get me started on other clubs. If it were us instead of Inter with the CL incident last year we would have been thrown out of the competition for ten years. And Berlusconi and Moratti throwing millions of Euros into their clubs is hardly fair, is it? Barcelona and Real Madrid are even worse financially. Real Madrid had debts over 300 million before they sold their training ground to the city for a truly ridiculous price. The local council agreed that the price was absurd, but 'it was time to do something back for the club'. Barcelona are even worse, they are currently 188 million (!!) Euros in the red, but that figure is clouded by their loan of 400 million Euros, making them the Spanish company in worst financial condition (officialy).
All of Europe's club are near to or over the line of legalness. People who now suddenly start bitching about Juve have simply been looking the other way for years now.
I love those cynical comments.Not really. If you had seen Viva Zapatero (movie about Italian press) you would say otherwise. Did you know that according to UN reports Italy is only a 'semi-free' country? There are so many lines between press and politics that the articles are never brought in a objective way.
You don't think that publication of this story, ten days before an expected Scudetto but eight months after the case was closed - that timing surely must be coincidental.
You don't think that publication of this story, ten days before an expected Scudetto but eight months after the case was closed - that timing surely must be coincidental.
The Italian media may not be anti-juve, but imo, they are pro-milan. In which I mean that rumours about Milan will not get the same attention as rumours about juve. In fact some rumours about Milan might not even become public knowledge. Berlusconi does own most of the media in Italy, I would not be surprised if certain things about Milan never get out.
Very true, but that's just cause Juve is Milans main rival for the Scudetto. If for instance Inter would be competing for the Scudetto D even writing that made me laugh) against Milan, then the media would become anti-Inter. Highlighting every mistake that was in favor for Inter, but still hiding every one that was in favour for Milan.
That's what I meant with pro-milan, they're not anti-juve per se.
D even writing that made me laugh) against Milan, then the media would become anti-Inter. Highlighting every mistake that was in favor for Inter, but still hiding every one that was in favour for Milan.That's what I meant with pro-milan, they're not anti-juve per se.
It'd feel like doing the commentary of a jackal on his prey, where the prey is Juve or, in this case, Moggi.
No respect for the person and his/their feelings, just a lot of assuming. "Did you know that Moggi controlled refs?" WHERE? How can you ask something like that?
Who knows, I'll maybe translate it in the next few days.
No respect for the person and his/their feelings, just a lot of assuming. "Did you know that Moggi controlled refs?" WHERE? How can you ask something like that?
Who knows, I'll maybe translate it in the next few days.