New Juve coach? (24 Viewers)

[Robee]

I'm not such of a fan of degrading Pirlo to that extent. Look at the inter game for instance; when motivated...
His team is simply much less when compared to that of the recent years. Even last year and two years ago. And quality players make an organisation as well. Blaming it all on the coach is way too easy for me. Even if he obviously made a lot of mistakes which is only logical for a starter.

I agree Arthur or Rabiot can do a job. But at best only one of them and paired with 2 good fullbacks. Not Sandro, Rabiot and Arthur. We might as well give up on another scudetto even with Klopp or Guardiola at the helm.

 

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[Suns]

I honestly think we need this right now

 

[Bjerknes]

Somebody said we lack leaders. Wut. We have Chiellini, Bonucci, Ronaldo, De Ligt, Cuadrado, Buffon... countless leaders in some form or another at different stages of their career. We don't lack leaders, so if leadership is lacking then these guys are huge disappointments.

This is another reason why I want an unbiased, outsider as manager, so he isn't buddies with some of these senior players who need a foot up their ass along with everyone else.

You actually have to play to make mistakes tho

That is true, but Dybala has been injured and benched for lack of form, apparently. But Bentancur can have garbage matches all season and yet he's still given a ton of minutes. So Pirlo makes no sense.

 

[Orgut]

I'm not such of a fan of degrading Pirlo to that extent. Look at the inter game for instance; when motivated...
His team is simply much less when compared to that of the recent years. Even last year and two years ago. And quality players make an organisation as well. Blaming it all on the coach is way too easy for me. Even if he obviously made a lot of mistakes which is only logical for a starter.

I agree Arthur or Rabiot can do a job. But at best only one of them and paired with 2 good fullbacks. Not Sandro, Rabiot and Arthur. We might as well give up on another scudetto even with Klopp or Guardiola at the helm.

The thing is even when we were motivated and they werent - the game was close and we had a man sent off which resulted in Inter playing better.
The thing is we barely played few games as a team and we looked like a team without a plan and dont defend well due to wrongly positioned on the field.

I`ll tell you this: Is it possible that someone who was great a season before suddenly becomes average?
The answer for this one is yes but highly unlikely.
Now take this question and multiply it for other players as well and you`ll see the probability and the obvious connection to Pirlo.
as for examples - Here are 3:
1. Dybala from MVP to average
2. Bentancur from a great season to way below average
3. Kulusevski - I dont know how many watched Parma last season but Kulu was a monster! assisting and scoring almost every game. He didnt become shit but he looks way insecure and it feels he doesnt get the right guidance.

Its not all Pirlo`s fault but when so many things go wrong you definitely need a change of coach.

I do agree with your final sentence but it doesnt change the fact he is still not on the appropriate level.

P.S Im pretty sure we have a stronger team compared to last year yet we won the Scudetto last year...

 

[Fab Fragment]

How did Gattuso become such an attack minded coach?

 

[Robee]

The thing is even when we were motivated and they werent - the game was close and we had a man sent off which resulted in Inter playing better.
The thing is we barely played few games as a team and we looked like a team without a plan and dont defend well due to wrongly positioned on the field.

I`ll tell you this: Is it possible that someone who was great a season before suddenly becomes average?
The answer for this one is yes but highly unlikely.
Now take this question and multiply it for other players as well and you`ll see the probability and the obvious connection to Pirlo.
as for examples - Here are 3:
1. Dybala from MVP to average
2. Bentancur from a great season to way below average
3. Kulusevski - I dont know how many watched Parma last season but Kulu was a monster! assisting and scoring almost every game. He didnt become shit but he looks way insecure and it feels he doesnt get the right guidance.

Its not all Pirlo`s fault but when so many things go wrong you definitely need a change of coach.

I do agree with your final sentence but it doesnt change the fact he is still not on the appropriate level.

P.S Im pretty sure we have a stronger team compared to last year yet we won the Scudetto last year...

The answer is an astounding yes if you look at the circumstances.
- Dybala; covid + injuries for a player with contract issues who was already inconsistent? Yes.
- Bentancur; has to play as a regista because we don't have one know when we did have Pjanic before. And therefor he sees way too much of the ball now. So yes and he was never 'great'. He was just doing a decent hustling job, that's it. So yeah.
- Kulu; in a squad of morons, being switched around (Pirlo's fault but also the holes in the squad), first time at a big club aged 20 with only 1 serie A season under your belt,... People don't get to adaptation time nowadays with these spoiled fans.

I never said we don't need to change the coach. We do. I did say the squad needs a big revolution too.

Imo the squad is far worse than last season. Not even close with all the experience we lost. Pjanic, Higuain, Douglas Costa to mention 3 household names and we got no one of that calibre in return. No coach would have won us the Serie A this season. CL qualification, surely.
But let's point our fingers at management for hiring Pirlo and this squad and look at the big picture instead of believing we actually improved the squad last summer. And then we go from there changing the hole shabang.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

We are seriously considering Gattuso

I guess our biggest aspirations died with the Super League. I'm very surprised that some people here are even lukewarm to the idea of him coming.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I rather get gattuso over gasperini or inzaghi

 

[David01]

We are seriously considering Gattuso

I guess our biggest aspirations died with the Super League. I'm very surprised that some people here are even lukewarm to the idea of him coming.

any coach would be better than what we have now

 

[Albo]

It's not just Dybala man. You guys keep bringing his name up. What about all the other high earners?

Rabiot the pussyfag mental giraffe perhaps? Arturd, the exhausted lolzilian? What about Glassmsey, the perennially injured "Welsh Wizard?"

Even Bonucci is earning too much.

Ofc it's just not Dybala , i don't even consider footballer guys like Ramsey he sucks big time .

Our squad has alot (50-60% of them) of overpaid footballers .

 

[AriG]

For me it's Zidane, Allegri and then Gattuso because sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I rather get gattuso over gasperini or inzaghi

Based on?
Is it merely Gattuso, supposedly, being a great motivator?

Because his track record so far is pretty clear: he failed everywhere he went.

 

[icemaη]

The only redeeming quality Gattuso has, is that he doesn't look like a complete idiot like Pirlo. That's a pretty low bar.

 

[rainhard]

I rather get gattuso over gasperini or inzaghi

If these are the only choice then Gasperini is a no brainer

 

[Beki]

Gattuso over Gasperini, WTF????????

 

[Strickland]

Gasperini is the same bet we made with Sarri, a coach with a clear identity that's very different to ours coming in to change everything. Would be great if it works out, but it's more likely that history will repeat itself.

Gattuso and Inzaghi both don't have the overachieving CV that Gasp has, but they do have time on their side and do seem to be more flexible. I really don't want neither though

 

[rainhard]

Gasperini is the same bet we made with Sarri, a coach with a clear identity that's very different to ours coming in to change everything. Would be great if it works out, but it's more likely that history will repeat itself.

Gattuso and Inzaghi both don't have the overachieving CV that Gasp has, but they do have time on their side and do seem to be more flexible. I really don't want neither though

I think Gasperini way better than Sarri, his system lift up the players at his disposal
But true for his system to works, it needed time. that we don't have

90/100+goals coach and we are still questioning him
I will take this bet, just upon curiosity what it will become for us

 

[Xperd]

Dint even realize Gattuso has been in coaching since 2013. Explains his mediocre coaching career.

If you guys admire Allegri so much, Inzaghi is someone in that mold. Atleast he's shown potential and clearly overachieved with Lazio. If not for the covid break, he'd probably have got Lazio challenging for the title until the end.

Mediocre Gattuso meanwhile hasn't gotten his teams anywhere near that level. His Napoli squad is comfortably top 3 in Italy yet they still have every chance of dropping out of top 4. They probably wouldn't even be in the top 4 discussion if Pirlo's Juventus wasn't so poor. These are the levels we are discussing.

But I'm supposed to sit here and believe Gattuso will work his 'motivational magic' and get us out of this mess? Cool story.

 

[Gigiventus]

Inzaghi hasn't renewed with Lazio. "Only the signature is missing" since the winter yet still no signature. This is the opportunity to sign him.

He is more the "new Allegri" than anyone else in Serie A.

 

[rainhard]

Simone Inzaghi vs Gasperini (Both 5 years at current club)

- 241 games (1.78 ppg) v 237 games (1.85ppg)
- Both using 3 CB formation 3-5-2 vs 3-4--1-2
- Inzaghi easier to approach as his contract will expired this season, Gasperini expire next season
- Atalanta have more stable positon 4-7-3-3-2 , Lazio 5-5-8-4-6. As we can see Atalanta grab the UCL spot while Lazio contender for UCL spot