Nationality debate (17 Viewers)

[Roman]

At the expense of.........................................................................



Hey, I'm not going to be the one to light the match

 

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[Vinny Del Pogba]

Man Utd definitely had a buy back clause.

We aren't sure if that clause has expired now, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they exercised that clause this summer. They need some of that Rossi magic now that the Euro-mullet is packing his bags for Madrid.

 

[rounder]

So if I moved to Lebanon today and 5 generations later my heirs would still be Polish because of "genetics"? Even though let's say they didn't even know where their ancestors were originally from and thought their family history had always been Lebanese?

What if an Italian marries a German? What's the nationality of the kid then? Remember, you can only pick one.

It's trivial to dismiss this genetics logic.

You would be Polish, but the 5th generation would be Lebanese.


Traditionally, the father decides the nationality. In countries like Brazil, it's actually the mother.

 

[Martin]

You would be Polish, but the 5th generation would be Lebanese.

So what happened in between there? How did we jump from one to the other?

Traditionally, the father decides the nationality. In countries like Brazil, it's actually the mother.

lol ok so let's ignore half of the "genetics" because it's a social custom? so it's not really genetic at all then if we can just throw away half the "evidence".

 

[Hust]

So if I moved to Lebanon today and 5 generations later my heirs would still be Polish because of "genetics"? Even though let's say they didn't even know where their ancestors were originally from and thought their family history had always been Lebanese?

What if an Italian marries a German? What's the nationality of the kid then? Remember, you can only pick one.

It's trivial to dismiss this genetics logic.

What does your birth certificate say?

 

[Martin]

What does your birth certificate say?

No idea, never seen it. Why?

 

[Bjerknes]

Wait a minute, people are using the genetics argument, AKA the blood argument?

I guess the US should only have a team consisting of Native Americans then.

 

[rounder]

So what happened in between there? How did we jump from one to the other?



lol ok so let's ignore half of the "genetics" because it's a social custom? so it's not really genetic at all then if we can just throw away half the "evidence".

Typically, the custom breaks down in the 4th generation( I'll explain why in a second). Meaning that your great great grandchild would be Lebanese despite you being Polish.

Why? Because presumably, your son would marry a Lebanese woman, and their son/daughter a Lebanese son/daughter and so on. Thus your great great grandchild would be more Lebanese than polish due to genetics.

Consider this example. If I was chinese and moved to Italy, my grandson may look Chinese but with time, my other descendents would begin to look Italian.

 

[Seven]

Wait a minute, people are using the genetics argument, AKA the blood argument?

I guess the US should only have a team consisting of Native Americans then.

TBH there is not a single argument that is particularly convincing. I'd base my decision on where I've spent most of my time though. If I live in the US for 20 years, I'm sure I am somewhat American.

 

[Hust]

No idea, never seen it. Why?

So you don't have one?

 

[Martin]

Typically, the custom breaks down in the 4th generation( I'll explain why in a second). Meaning that your great great grandchild would be Lebanese despite you being Polish.

Why? Because presumably, your son would marry a Lebanese woman, and their son/daughter a Lebanese son/daughter and so on. Thus your great great grandchild would be more Lebanese than polish due to genetics.

Consider this example. If I was chinese and moved to Italy, my grandson may look Chinese but with time, my other descendents would begin to look Italian.

4th generation?

1 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.5 Polish
0.5 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.25 Polish
0.25 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.125 Polish
0.125 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.0625 Polish (6%)

So the threshold for nationality is 6% male?

Sure, all this makes a heck of a lot of sense.

 

[Martin]

So you don't have one?

Like I said, never seen it. What do you want to know?

 

[rounder]

TBH there is not a single argument that is particularly convincing. I'd base my decision on where I've spent most of my time though. If I live in the US for 20 years, I'm sure I am somewhat American.

It's not a decision you make. You don't decide to have blue eyes or black skin. Your parents do, thus your parents are who decide where you are from. If I went and lived in Beijing for 40 years, guess what, I still wouldn't be chinese.

 

[Seven]

It's not a decision you make. You don't decide to have blue eyes or black skin. Your parents do, thus your parents are who decide where you are from. If I went and lived in Beijing for 40 years, guess what, I still wouldn't be chinese.

Yeah you would.

 

[Enron]

TBH there is not a single argument that is particularly convincing. I'd base my decision on where I've spent most of my time though. If I live in the US for 20 years, I'm sure I am somewhat American.

If you get Nationality then you're American. Look at Arnold, he runs California. The US is a country of immigrants, there is no getting away from the fact that there is really no "true" American. Most people here could get two or three citizenships if they wanted to, too bad that freedom is a bit of the hinderance on the soccer front.

 

[rounder]

4th generation?

1 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.5 Polish
0.5 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.25 Polish
0.25 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.125 Polish
0.125 part Polish male DNA, 1 part female DNA => 0.0625 Polish (6%)

So the threshold for nationality is 6% male?

Sure, all this makes a heck of a lot of sense.

They don't necessarily have to be divided that way. Some genes are dominant while others are recessive.

 

[Seven]

If you get Nationality then you're American. Look at Arnold, he runs California. The US is a country of immigrants, there is no getting away from the fact that there is really no "true" American. Most people here could get two or three citizenships if they wanted to, too bad that freedom is a bit of the hinderance on the soccer front.

Is it because of patriotism that this nationality thing is so important to some of you?

 

[rounder]

Yeah you would.

What if on my 80th birthday.

I spent 20 years in Ireland.

20 in France.

20 in Japan.

20 in Senegal.

Where am I from?


Or better yet.

I spent 5 years in Egypt.

5 in Jordan.

5 in Kuwait.

5 in Spain.

5 in Honduras.

5 in Italy.

5 in Paraguay.

5 in Belgium.

5 in China.

5 in Malaysia.

5 in South Korea,


5 in Indonesia.

5 in England.

5 in Iran.

5 in Iraq.

5 in Canada

 

[Osman]

Can a mod like, split this side discussion to another new thread or something?

 

[Seven]

What if after I became 80 years old.

I spend 20 years in Italy.

20 in France.

20 in Japan.

20 in Senegal.

Where am I from?

You're from Italy, France, Japan and Senegal.