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What would you be most looking forward to from his policies if he were to win again out of curiosity?
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It will also be interesting to get your take on how some of the policies trend once he's in office. For instance, I wonder what you'll think, being a military guy, if he ends up sending in our own troops to find illegals in the inner cities to deport them, potentially creating war zones in some of these places. I don't know if you are a reservist or not, but this seems to be a dangerous decision if you ask me. Some of the other Agenda 2025-ish policies I can't imagine you liking, so if they come to fruition then hopefully it doesn't impact you. Of course, it will be hell for a lot of Americans, especially pregnant women and pretty much anyone without a family, but if you're a dude who makes a lot of money and doesn't need to round folks up then you probably will be OK.
I honestly think, and hopefully am super wrong, that the next 4 years will suck no matter who gets elected. The only real issue that I expect Trump to deliver on is unchecked immigration.
No matter what you think about Trump or his policies/motivations, one thing is for sure: the whole system will be geared to block and hamper him in every way shape or form. And ironically imo this is exactly why he is popular. That and the fact that not only does he withstand this insurmountable onslaught, but he fights back too.
The whole world looks ok with consternation how a majority of americans will vote for someone like trump: unhinged, megalomaniac, and with many character flaws. But what the whole world also doesnt quite get is what was taken from Americans over the last couple of decades or so. How the system is gaslighting the very sense of reality of the citizenry and is weaponizimg its institutions to quell any resistance or push back. You could say the malcontents, or deplorables as dems would call them, live vicariously through Trump in his fight against a system that is taking away their way of life and a whole lot of their wealth.
If this is the case, then why don’t you and Trump focus on pushing back against the Federal Reserve and its crawling inflation policies? You know full well the Fed is going to lower rates including when Trump is in office and that’s going to hurt people who need a strong dollar, notwithstanding the tariffs as well. People who live vicariously through Trump are why we have a J6 or bus drivers get punched in the face. They’re nothing but a bunch of losers who have to rely on a fascist government to make their lives whole. They’re fucking losers bro, you know it.
The problem is not so much what the system has "taken". It's that it gives almost nothing back.
In most European countries you get basic healthcare for free, you get unemployment benefits, you get a normal pension. Yes, I pay an insane amount of taxes, but there's the safety net that allows me to take risks to earn more. And the system does more than that. There are checks on inflation, there are checks on corporate behaviour to protect consumers, there is an active push for more environmental law (much to the despise of some of my clients).
It's an entirely different world to live in.
But as for weaponizing the institutions, this is something that Trump has done far more than every other president before him and he has explicitly stated he will do even worse a second term.
In most European countries you get basic healthcare for free, you get unemployment benefits, you get a normal pension. Yes, I pay an insane amount of taxes, but there's the safety net that allows me to take risks to earn more. And the system does more than that. There are checks on inflation, there are checks on corporate behaviour to protect consumers, there is an active push for more environmental law (much to the despise of some of my clients).
It's an entirely different world to live in.
But as for weaponizing the institutions, this is something that Trump has done far more than every other president before him and he has explicitly stated he will do even worse a second term.
As a third person who follows US politics through the media, the statistics show that Trump is leading in this election, I don't know maybe because of the media hyped it up. His interviews and speeches have received considerable attention on social networks. I think, Trump's chance to regain the presidency is twice that of Harris as people get easily influenced by social media.
Another $7.8 trillion in national debt, baby! 
(in 2020 US$)
Just remember that Republican debt is "good" debt, so it's all good.
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
(in 2020 US$)
Just remember that Republican debt is "good" debt, so it's all good.
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
I've often said there are periods that are going to be loser presidencies regardless of who is in office. George H W Bush's presidency in 1988 being a good example. Carter in 1976 for another. You may be right about this one.
I agree that many Trump supporters believe that is what they are fighting for in him. Make no mistake, this is less a Republican candidacy than an anti-establishment one.
But even Trump's closest political allies are either careerist politicians or worse: flat out grifters. I'm gonna get vegetables thrown at me for saying this, but despite all the Biden hate, he's been one of the few politicans in recent decades who seemed in it for the service of something bigger rather than in it for himself or his own grand ideas of conforming the world to his whims. Because when it comes to the tax breaks Trump might champion, etc., it will be about the same circus with different clowns: the same system with different cronies taking away more of the public's wealth.
No matter what political candidate support, the unmooring thing for me is the idolation and idolatry. In Christian religious terms, which are semi-appropriate here, you should always be wary of a society that turns a person into a golden calf. I have never, ever in my life every put so much as a political politician's bumper sticker on my car. And there's a culture of people out there with face tattoos and an identity all wrapped up in another person. That the only first thing to know about a person is who they voted for president.
This is what fuels fascism. No good has ever come from politics run by a cult of personality.
I agree that many Trump supporters believe that is what they are fighting for in him. Make no mistake, this is less a Republican candidacy than an anti-establishment one.
But even Trump's closest political allies are either careerist politicians or worse: flat out grifters. I'm gonna get vegetables thrown at me for saying this, but despite all the Biden hate, he's been one of the few politicans in recent decades who seemed in it for the service of something bigger rather than in it for himself or his own grand ideas of conforming the world to his whims. Because when it comes to the tax breaks Trump might champion, etc., it will be about the same circus with different clowns: the same system with different cronies taking away more of the public's wealth.
No matter what political candidate support, the unmooring thing for me is the idolation and idolatry. In Christian religious terms, which are semi-appropriate here, you should always be wary of a society that turns a person into a golden calf. I have never, ever in my life every put so much as a political politician's bumper sticker on my car. And there's a culture of people out there with face tattoos and an identity all wrapped up in another person. That the only first thing to know about a person is who they voted for president.
This is what fuels fascism. No good has ever come from politics run by a cult of personality.
