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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Everything you said makes absolute sense for me, like i said in the post above, my commentary on the trump phenomenon is being mistaken as my personal stance. It is not. The system test for me is Israel. Any candidate/politician who unequivocally supports israel is a system candidate.
Agreed.

It's telling that in all of Northern America and Europe only fringe politicians speak out.

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Because he will suck Netanyahu's dick on command.

But "America first." He'd piss me off a lot less if he actually meant it, rather it being an easy slogan to pander with.
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,361
What a fucking dipshit.

By the way, he looks awful. Looks like he could die literally any day now.
I'm surprised this isn't getting more traction.

He doesn't just look worse than 8 years ago. He looks a hell of a lot worse than 6 months ago.

His speech has been slurring for a while now and he never really made much sense. But that he feels the need to come up with a new word to explain the random tangents he goes on to somehow indicate the nonsense he's saying is related tells me he knows he's slipping. And you can see the effort it requires for him to speak. I know he's standing just fine and all, but he can hardly move his mouth.

Is this indicative of small strokes or of dementia? Maybe. I don't know. The man is also simply very old. But it's not good.

Will it have an impact on the election? Probably not. But I'd be extremely surprised if that man lives for another 4 years.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,361
I worry more about JD Vance than any other presidential or vice presidential candidate. IMHO, he's stupid, slimy and spineless.
I actually think Vance is not stupid.

He sometimes says weird stuff and he's always awkward. But stupid? I'm not convinced. More than stupid he's a conniving motherfucker and he definitely does not have the best interests of the average American at heart.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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I actually think Vance is not stupid.

He sometimes says weird stuff and he's always awkward. But stupid? I'm not convinced. More than stupid he's a conniving motherfucker and he definitely does not have the best interests of the average American at heart.
as an american wannabe president, you don't follow russian orders and ideologies. russians will fuck you over 100/100 times. he should simply know better who to trust, who to rely on and who to be indebted to. relying on putin is the very definition of stupid on the long run.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,361
as an american wannabe president, you don't follow russian orders and ideologies. russians will fuck you over 100/100 times. he should simply know better who to trust, who to rely on and who to be indebted to. relying on putin is the very definition of stupid on the long run.
It is, if you're a Russian oligarch. Because in that scenario you can only enjoy your freedom within certain limits and, at some point, Putin will inevitably dispose of you.

But Putin is not going to assassinate a US president. He's not going to assassinate a former US president either. So yeah, obviously it would suck for US citizens that their leader is in bed with Putin. Obviously whatever deal you make with Putin is going to be in his benefit. But as long as Trump and Vance don't have any morals, they could easily gain from that relationship on a personal level.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
34,444
It is, if you're a Russian oligarch. Because in that scenario you can only enjoy your freedom within certain limits and, at some point, Putin will inevitably dispose of you.

But Putin is not going to assassinate a US president. He's not going to assassinate a former US president either. So yeah, obviously it would suck for US citizens that their leader is in bed with Putin. Obviously whatever deal you make with Putin is going to be in his benefit. But as long as Trump and Vance don't have any morals, they could easily gain from that relationship on a personal level.
i didn't even imply that putin would assassinate him and that's why it's stupid to rely on him. russians can be a bit more nuanced than this

the personal gains will benefit them on the short term. it's already happening with trump, vance, musk and tons of murican journalists. and these are just the most obvious people. i bet russians also recruited judges, prosecutors, decision makers in municipalities, administrative bodies in legislation, media and market control, etc. that's what they do. and they'll all have their short term benefits

look at orbán to see what happens on the long run. ~12 years ago he wanted russians to buy the hungarian rtl tv business for him. back then he was in a different position, he could actually ask some favors. now he's russia's trojan horse in the eu, he let russians hack the hungarian ministry of internal affairs' computer systems without doing anything (of course he didn't, he was ordered not to), hungary isn't getting any eu funds because of the "friendship" between the two, and i could go on. trump will be long gone when jd will still owe putin with a favor here and there: lift some sanctions, let russia attack a country, let russia hack some us systems, plant some assets in important positions, change some bills, you get the idea. and he doesn't even need to be elected for that. once an asset, always an asset. but in case he's elected, the first favor will be about ukraine. and if ukraine lose, murica will lose some of their geopolitical influence. trump already said that he won't protect other nato allies unless they pay for it lol. then moldova, poland or some smaller eastern european countries are next, and murica will become even more powerless. then it's not a stretch to speculate that china is likely to attack taiwan, and jd won't be able to react because he'll get an order from putin. and jd, the supposedly smart dude will sit there in his oval office and look at all the mess he created.

he's ambitious, spineless, calculative, manipulative. he can count the votes, he can string two sentences together. he's got some intelligence, much more than trump. and at the same time he's still just a lightweight russian asset who lacks the backing of a voter base and powerful business circles on his own. that makes him vulnerable, controllable and an easy target. so back to square one: he's dumb.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,361
i didn't even imply that putin would assassinate him and that's why it's stupid to rely on him. russians can be a bit more nuanced than this

the personal gains will benefit them on the short term. it's already happening with trump, vance, musk and tons of murican journalists. and these are just the most obvious people. i bet russians also recruited judges, prosecutors, decision makers in municipalities, administrative bodies in legislation, media and market control, etc. that's what they do. and they'll all have their short term benefits

look at orbán to see what happens on the long run. ~12 years ago he wanted russians to buy the hungarian rtl tv business for him. back then he was in a different position, he could actually ask some favors. now he's russia's trojan horse in the eu, he let russians hack the hungarian ministry of internal affairs' computer systems without doing anything (of course he didn't, he was ordered not to), hungary isn't getting any eu funds because of the "friendship" between the two, and i could go on. trump will be long gone when jd will still owe putin with a favor here and there: lift some sanctions, let russia attack a country, let russia hack some us systems, plant some assets in important positions, change some bills, you get the idea. and he doesn't even need to be elected for that. once an asset, always an asset. but in case he's elected, the first favor will be about ukraine. and if ukraine lose, murica will lose some of their geopolitical influence. trump already said that he won't protect other nato allies unless they pay for it lol. then moldova, poland or some smaller eastern european countries are next, and murica will become even more powerless. then it's not a stretch to speculate that china is likely to attack taiwan, and jd won't be able to react because he'll get an order from putin. and jd, the supposedly smart dude will sit there in his oval office and look at all the mess he created.

he's ambitious, spineless, calculative, manipulative. he can count the votes, he can string two sentences together. he's got some intelligence, much more than trump. and at the same time he's still just a lightweight russian asset who lacks the backing of a voter base and powerful business circles on his own. that makes him vulnerable, controllable and an easy target. so back to square one: he's dumb.
None of what you said interests Vance.

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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I actually think Vance is not stupid.

He sometimes says weird stuff and he's always awkward. But stupid? I'm not convinced. More than stupid he's a conniving motherfucker and he definitely does not have the best interests of the average American at heart.
You can't be stupid and follow the conniving opportunist model of George Wallace politics at the same time.
 

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