'Murica! (321 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

I honestly think, and hopefully am super wrong, that the next 4 years will suck no matter who gets elected. The only real issue that I expect Trump to deliver on is unchecked immigration.
No matter what you think about Trump or his policies/motivations, one thing is for sure: the whole system will be geared to block and hamper him in every way shape or form. And ironically imo this is exactly why he is popular. That and the fact that not only does he withstand this insurmountable onslaught, but he fights back too.
The whole world looks ok with consternation how a majority of americans will vote for someone like trump: unhinged, megalomaniac, and with many character flaws. But what the whole world also doesnt quite get is what was taken from Americans over the last couple of decades or so. How the system is gaslighting the very sense of reality of the citizenry and is weaponizimg its institutions to quell any resistance or push back. You could say the malcontents, or deplorables as dems would call them, live vicariously through Trump in his fight against a system that is taking away their way of life and a whole lot of their wealth.

Thank you for answering. I obviously know why he is seen as the anti-immigration guy, but we had a bipartisan bill for the border that was endorsed by border patrol, but shot down by Republicans. Shouldn't this get recognition?

I also recognize the declining standard of living over the past few decades for certain segments of the population, but I REALLY don't see how someone that checks every box of someone that would've been primarily responsible for it (politically connected ultra-wealthy) could possibly be seen as the savior when in reality anything that would reverse this would also personally harm him.

 

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[s4tch]

STOP THE ELDER ABUSE!

look at the 2nd guy's face when trump tries to answer, hilarious

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If this is the case, then why don’t you and Trump focus on pushing back against the Federal Reserve and its crawling inflation policies? You know full well the Fed is going to lower rates including when Trump is in office and that’s going to hurt people who need a strong dollar, notwithstanding the tariffs as well. People who live vicariously through Trump are why we have a J6 or bus drivers get punched in the face. They’re nothing but a bunch of losers who have to rely on a fascist government to make their lives whole. They’re fucking losers bro, you know it.

The problem is not so much what the system has "taken". It's that it gives almost nothing back.

In most European countries you get basic healthcare for free, you get unemployment benefits, you get a normal pension. Yes, I pay an insane amount of taxes, but there's the safety net that allows me to take risks to earn more. And the system does more than that. There are checks on inflation, there are checks on corporate behaviour to protect consumers, there is an active push for more environmental law (much to the despise of some of my clients).

It's an entirely different world to live in.

But as for weaponizing the institutions, this is something that Trump has done far more than every other president before him and he has explicitly stated he will do even worse a second term.

Thank you for answering. I obviously know why he is seen as the anti-immigration guy, but we had a bipartisan bill for the border that was endorsed by border patrol, but shot down by Republicans. Shouldn't this get recognition?

I also recognize the declining standard of living over the past few decades for certain segments of the population, but I REALLY don't see how someone that checks every box of someone that would've been primarily responsible for it (politically connected ultra-wealthy) could possibly be seen as the savior when in reality anything that would reverse this would also personally harm him.

I answered AFLs question in the first paragraph. The rest was a commentary on why Trump's popular, since that is something the rest of the world is having a lot of trouble understanding. Like swag said it's not so much an endorsement of trump or even a lot of his policies, but moreso an expression of anti establishment sentiment regardless of its validity.

I've said it here before, the kind of person i want to see as president is someone like Massie, but if it's a choice between Trump or Kamala, then that's an easy one for me.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I just wanted to come back to this after my earlier response.

You should watch a recent Trump rally and then compare that to any of his rallies in 2016. The decline is not just noticeable, it is very steep. And this is not abnormal. In 2016 Trump was 70, he is 78 now. At that age that is a significant difference. I've watched my own grandparents change through their early 70's to their early 80's. There's no way they could run a country.

I'm also active in one of the few professions in which people tend to work until they are extremely old. For attorneys, litigators especially, it is not unheard of to work into their 80's. They like the stage, they don't want to go off. And while octogenarians might still put in valuable work, they are definitely no longer managing firms. Rather, they are controlled by people who they may technically outrank, but who are just much quicker on their feet and prevent them from doing stupid shit. Because, as unfortunate as that may be, time comes for us all.

This has been a fact for millions of years. Trump will not be the first exception.

Under those circumstances I think it's highly unlikely Trump will serve out the entire 4 years. I think it would be a miracle to manage 2. That would mean that somewhere around the start of 2027 Vance becomes president. Vance is certainly the more intelligent man and he does rather well in debates and interviews. But there's really little meaning behind what he says, let alone any conviction whatsoever. He will just do whatever his billionaire bosses instruct him to do. So rather than someone who is "fighting" the system, you'll end up with a puppet of the establishment.

Everything you said makes absolute sense for me, like i said in the post above, my commentary on the trump phenomenon is being mistaken as my personal stance. It is not. The system test for me is Israel. Any candidate/politician who unequivocally supports israel is a system candidate.

 

[s4tch]

...The system test for me is Israel. Any candidate/politician who unequivocally supports israel is a system candidate.

who does that?

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I answered AFLs question in the first paragraph. The rest was a commentary on why Trump's popular, since that is something the rest of the world is having a lot of trouble understanding. Like swag said it's not so much an endorsement of trump or even a lot of his policies, but moreso an expression of anti establishment sentiment regardless of its validity.

I've said it here before, the kind of person i want to see as president is someone like Massie, but if it's a choice between Trump or Kamala, then that's an easy one for me.

Of course. I was just thinking aloud since it just doesn't make logical sense to me.

who does that?

All of them. Well, virtually all Republicans and most Democrats.

 

[ALC]

Of course. I was just thinking aloud since it just doesn't make logical sense to me.


All of them. Well, virtually all Republicans and most Democrats.

Which I think is why dems didn’t want an open primary. Imagine someone young running for office and being anti Israel. They’d get a lot of votes

 

[GordoDeCentral]

who does that?

Like AFL said almost all of them.

 

[icemaη]

Which I think is why dems didn’t want an open primary. Imagine someone young running for office and being anti Israel. They’d get a lot of votes

If they lose, they’ll blame the voters and have an establishment candidate lined up come 2028. If they win, then they will already have an establishment candidate. When there are only two teams then change is a lot harder to bring about.

 

[s4tch]

Like AFL said almost all of them.

just read this morning some news about this issue:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wk0e8zey2o.amp

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

just read this morning some news about this issue:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wk0e8zey2o.amp

Insane isn't it?

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Everything you said makes absolute sense for me, like i said in the post above, my commentary on the trump phenomenon is being mistaken as my personal stance. It is not. The system test for me is Israel. Any candidate/politician who unequivocally supports israel is a system candidate.

Even RFK Jr. supports them. Prob doesn't want the same fate as his dad and uncle

 

[ALC]

just read this morning some news about this issue:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wk0e8zey2o.amp

30 days seems a little too rash, maybe they should give them a little longer, it’s a big project to implement in such short notice.

Maybe 30 years instead?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

just read this morning some news about this issue:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wk0e8zey2o.amp

It's a joke, a a weak attempt to recruit voters, in a month the President will either have not made this promise or doesn't have to hold it anymore.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

30 days seems a little too rash, maybe they should give them a little longer, it’s a big project to implement in such short notice.

Maybe 30 years instead?

Personally, I'd give them until 20 minutes ago.

 

[s4tch]

It's a joke, a a weak attempt to recruit voters, in a month the President will either have not made this promise or doesn't have to hold it anymore.

might be easily, we'll see. i think that criticizing russia for their war crimes while turning a blind eye on israel's actions is becoming an issue in front of the world too, not only because of the elections

anyway it's still more than any republican said or did recently. trump allegedly has regular contacts with netanjahu and he's yet to criticize him

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

And you know what pisses me off more? If Trump wins all he'll do is cut off Ukraine, a country that should be receiving aid, and still give Israel whatever they want.

 

[s4tch]

And you know what pisses me off more? If Trump wins all he'll do is cut off Ukraine, a country that should be receiving aid, and still give Israel whatever they want.

and his cult will applaud him for making murica great again

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

might be easily, we'll see. i think that criticizing russia for their war crimes while turning a blind eye on israel's actions is becoming an issue in front of the world too, not only because of the elections

anyway it's still more than any republican said or did recently. trump allegedly has regular contacts with netanjahu and he's yet to criticize him

Because he will suck Netanyahu's dick on command.

But "America first." He'd piss me off a lot less if he actually meant it, rather it being an easy slogan to pander with.

 

[s4tch]

now imagine kamala saying this.

literally an idiot.

 

[Seven]

Everything you said makes absolute sense for me, like i said in the post above, my commentary on the trump phenomenon is being mistaken as my personal stance. It is not. The system test for me is Israel. Any candidate/politician who unequivocally supports israel is a system candidate.

Agreed.

It's telling that in all of Northern America and Europe only fringe politicians speak out.

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Because he will suck Netanyahu's dick on command.

But "America first." He'd piss me off a lot less if he actually meant it, rather it being an easy slogan to pander with.

If you promise Trump a million dollars, he'll suck your dick too.