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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Trump's entire campaign hinges on him being younger and more energetic than Biden.

If the Democrats replace Biden, suddenly Trump is the old man.

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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It's obviously early onset Alzheimer's. My wife's grandmother has the same symptoms. To be honest, she's more with it than Biden is. And that's scary as fuck.

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Perhaps, but that's stupid as fuck. And also very deceitful.

Even as stupid as the Democrats appear to be, common sense must come into play at some point. I just wonder if there's some weird pressure from somewhere that is contributing to Biden remaining on the ticket.

I think there might be some forces that just want total chaos in this country. This might be what the right refers to as the Deep State.
There might be a much simpler explanation.

Biden's decline is quite strong. Compare footage of him in 2020 to footage in 2024 and the difference is stark. This the kind of decline that's possible after 80, but some people are able to postpone it until 85 or even 90. I think the Democrats might not have anticipated it would go downhill this quickly. Initially they backed him because he was the President, because they had to defend his policy and because he already beat Trump once. Then they wanted to appear loyal and not just cut ties with him the minute something went wrong. That would have been a bad look.

But we're beyond that now. You cannot, in good faith, put forward a candidate whose mental capacities are in question.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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It's almost as if it's a full display of what Biden has to offer. Which is nothing at all. He should be in a nursing home.

But my point is, are the Dems this inept they let it go this far, or are there other forces at play?

Anybody average Joe watching this knows this is absurd.
Here's where I differ. People making out like Biden has suddenly been afflicted with some horrible neurogenerative disease. The dude is 81. Stuff just isn't as sharp.

Someone visits him to check out possible Parkinson's? That's just called healthcare when you're 81.

Americans have been pushing out their elderly into internment camps for so long, nobody in the public knows what getting old really looks like anymore.

It's obviously early onset Alzheimer's. My wife's grandmother has the same symptoms. To be honest, she's more with it than Biden is. And that's scary as fuck.

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Perhaps, but that's stupid as fuck. And also very deceitful.

Even as stupid as the Democrats appear to be, common sense must come into play at some point. I just wonder if there's some weird pressure from somewhere that is contributing to Biden remaining on the ticket.

I think there might be some forces that just want total chaos in this country. This might be what the right refers to as the Deep State.
Again, I don't buy the early onset (at 81?) Alzheimer's diagnosis. Americans have no clue what it's like to grow old because they continually lock them up and out of sight.

I know it's bad business given our party conventions have been eliminating any surprises for a deterministic king these days. But Biden should release all his delegates, and the DNC delegates should do the job they historically did at the convention: vote on a candidate.

Poor Biden should not be facing the next (health-declining) four years of his life with this mockery. The dude should be chilling on a beach with a mai tai and enjoying his golden years. But he probably is like Diane Feinstein in that politics keeps him alive as he would otherwise die immediately, not knowing what to do with himself.

Then we have human social failure at work. No matter how you try to prevent it, it's scientifically proven that people in great power ultimately repel the people whom they don't want to hear from, people with bad news or who see things others don't. Instead they attract and surround themselves with "yes men" who say what they want to hear. It's the same reason Putin got beyotch-slapped invading Ukraine. It happens to everybody in leadership and management, it's human behavioral nature, and it's impossible to stop.

Call that the Deep State if you want. I won't. That's pretty much normal for people in power.

Trump's entire campaign hinges on him being younger and more energetic than Biden.

If the Democrats replace Biden, suddenly Trump is the old man.

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Look, I have long derided Kamala Harris here as the worst DA San Francisco had in 30 years. Not because of cluelessness or incompetence, but because she's a ladder-climbing careerist who refuses to do her current job if it requires taking risks that might thwart her next career jump. ("Border Czar", anyone?)

Once you are president, however, there are no jumps left. So I have no idea what she'd do. The Peter Principle ends at U.S. President.

And as far as Trump goes, I think having haters is an asset in American politics these days. Too many try to win over everybody as their respected aisle-crossing leader. I miss those days, but they are gone. So if a swath of Americans find her unelectable, that might be a good thing.

Particularly useful when she stands as much as any other candidate to smoke out all the closet racists and white supremacists who will go open season. Just when Trump needs them to chill dafuq out, they will opportunistically grow emboldened and vocal. And Trump won't lift a finger to discourage it or dissociate from it, as he never has. And it will bite Trump in the ass, turning off neutrals in battleground states.

I never thought she would ever have a viable shot at being president, but today I am less sure about that conviction.
 
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icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
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Aug 27, 2008
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It's obviously early onset Alzheimer's. My wife's grandmother has the same symptoms. To be honest, she's more with it than Biden is. And that's scary as fuck.

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Perhaps, but that's stupid as fuck. And also very deceitful.

Even as stupid as the Democrats appear to be, common sense must come into play at some point. I just wonder if there's some weird pressure from somewhere that is contributing to Biden remaining on the ticket.

I think there might be some forces that just want total chaos in this country. This might be what the right refers to as the Deep State.
As an outsider who’s force fed American politics by the internet, the Democrats don’t seem like they are capable of doing that. You still see comments like “If it’s a race between an elderly, forgetful gentleman vs a fascist, I know who I’m voting for” and how everyone should band together and vote for Biden despite his cognitive decline.
We have seen elections around the world these past few months. I cannot wrap my head around the fact that the most powerful country in the world seem to have the worst possible options as their choice of leader regardless of your political beliefs.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Here's where I differ. People making out like Biden has suddenly been afflicted with some horrible neurogenerative disease. The dude is 81. Stuff just isn't as sharp.

Someone visits him to check out possible Parkinson's? That's just called healthcare when you're 81.

Americans have been pushing out their elderly into internment camps for so long, nobody in the public knows what getting old really looks like anymore.



Again, I don't buy the early onset (at 81?) Alzheimer's diagnosis. Americans have no clue what it's like to grow old because they continually lock them up and out of sight.

I know it's bad business given our party conventions have been eliminating any surprises for a deterministic king these days. But Biden should release all his delegates, and the DNC delegates should do the job they historically did at the convention: vote on a candidate.

Poor Biden should not be facing the next (health-declining) four years of his life with this mockery. The dude should be chilling on a beach with a mai tai and enjoying his golden years. But he probably is like Diane Feinstein in that politics keeps him alive as he would otherwise die immediately, not knowing what to do with himself.

Then we have human social failure at work. No matter how you try to prevent it, it's scientifically proven that people in great power ultimately repel the people whom they don't want to hear from, people with bad news or who see things others don't. Instead they attract and surround themselves with "yes men" who say what they want to hear. It's the same reason Putin got beyotch-slapped invading Ukraine. It happens to everybody in leadership and management, it's human behavioral nature, and it's impossible to stop.

Call that the Deep State if you want. I won't. That's pretty much normal for people in power.



Look, I have long derided Kamala Harris here as the worst DA San Francisco had in 30 years. Not because of cluelessness or incompetence, but because she's a ladder-climbing careerist who refuses to do her current job if it requires taking risks that might thwart her next career jump. ("Border Czar", anyone?)

Once you are president, however, there are no jumps left. So I have no idea what she'd do. The Peter Principle ends at U.S. President.

And as far as Trump goes, I think having haters is an asset in American politics these days. Too many try to win over everybody as their respected aisle-crossing leader. I miss those days, but they are gone. So if a swath of Americans find her unelectable, that might be a good thing.

Particularly useful when she stands as much as any other candidate to smoke out all the closet racists and white supremacists who will go open season. Just when Trump needs them to chill dafuq out, they will opportunistically grow emboldened and vocal. And Trump won't lift a finger to discourage it or dissociate from it, as he never has. And it will bite Trump in the ass, turning off neutrals in battleground states.

I never thought she would ever have a viable shot at being president, but today I am less sure about that conviction.
It’s pretty wild that both presidential candidates could go to sleep and not wake up and it would be perfectly normal for that to happen
 

Fab Fragment

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Dec 22, 2018
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It’s pretty wild that both presidential candidates could go to sleep and not wake up and it would be perfectly normal for that to happen
I think I would go for Jill Stein.

I never really cared for Kamala Harris but I agree with @swag, she can't be worse than Biden.

I may be wrong here but to a large extent, Trump is more of a barking dog (racist trash talk) that does not bite: no new wars, less taxes = I kind of like that!

IMHO, Biden takes the cake for being the 2nd worst POTUS in history. "W" was the worst.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I think I would go for Jill Stein.

I never really cared for Kamala Harris but I agree with @swag, she can't be worse than Biden.

I may be wrong here but to a large extent, Trump is more of a barking dog (racist trash talk) that does not bite: no new wars, less taxes = I kind of like that!

IMHO, Biden takes the cake for being the 2nd worst POTUS in history. "W" was the worst.
Greens are what vegans eat, bruh. We don't do that in the U.S.

Trump knows how to dog whistle though. He says what's understood without directly saying it. If Biden tried that now, he would be swearing the n-word right now ... but when talking about Macron. And you're right in that he makes a tougher talk to his base than what he technically delivers. Democrats are continually in hysterics over that.

But it's also true that Trump gives cover for a lot of creeps and weirdos who want to string up a brother, and the environment gives them a sense of all clear to start marching in hoods in Nashville.

But let's be clear on wars. Biden is technically directly involved in one fewer wars than Trump was. Even if a lot is now by proxy.

I can't say Biden was a terrible POTUS. Too easy. I saw someone post that Kamala Harris was the worst VP in history. Based on what? Spiro Agnew? She's useless, but what VP wasn't. (Well, ironically other than Pence on Jan 6.)

Even Trump has pivoted from Obama being the worst president ever to Biden, but that's all recency effect, who is his "opponent" (Obama never was and Trump was out to erase his history), and not record.

How the U.S. pulled off a relatively "soft landing" post-COVID without plunging into recession and massive unemployment is still a bit of magic, though certainly not all to his credit. So to call him the second worst suffers from recency effect. I mean... Warren G. Harding, James Buchanon... Come on!!
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Gotta love murica

“I said, ‘Dana, I have an idea: Why don’t you set up a migrant league of fighters and have your regular league of fighters. And then you have the champion of your league — these are the greatest fighters in the world — fight the champion of the migrants. I think the migrants’ guy might win, that’s how tough they are,” the presumptive GOP presidential nominee said in Washington.
Trump added, “He didn’t like that idea too much, but actually, it’s not the worst idea I’ve ever had.”
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
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Aug 27, 2008
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Gotta love murica

“I said, ‘Dana, I have an idea: Why don’t you set up a migrant league of fighters and have your regular league of fighters. And then you have the champion of your league — these are the greatest fighters in the world — fight the champion of the migrants. I think the migrants’ guy might win, that’s how tough they are,” the presumptive GOP presidential nominee said in Washington.
Trump added, “He didn’t like that idea too much, but actually, it’s not the worst idea I’ve ever had.”
Not a worse idea than the Enhanced Games.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,311
I think I would go for Jill Stein.

I never really cared for Kamala Harris but I agree with @swag, she can't be worse than Biden.

I may be wrong here but to a large extent, Trump is more of a barking dog (racist trash talk) that does not bite: no new wars, less taxes = I kind of like that!

IMHO, Biden takes the cake for being the 2nd worst POTUS in history. "W" was the worst.
The problem isn't really Trump, it's what he represents.

Trump is far too lazy to create any actual policy. Dude has done nothing his entire adult life. He's not going to change now at a billion years old.

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