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GordoDeCentral said:
I don't see any of that, and i follow some pretty conservative accounts. Also you have the option of muting or blocking any account you know you dont like. There are obviously a lot of grifters, but to me that's like AM radio. The only difference is the audience can directly chime in on twitter.
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It's true that Twitter used to be overly content moderated where any form of sarcasm was a sin and got you a week's ban. It was a bit heavy-handed.

Is what's there now better? I dunno, to be honest. In some ways it smokes out the nutjobs and freaks. And I'm sure a portion are probably less the identity-driven psychos but rather the performing ones, because online media allows some of us to play out personas we don't feel comfortable with in meatspace.

But again, it's nothing like the kind of interactions I ever have with real humans, strangers or friends, so for that it's a big fail and kinda has always been.

The one thing that has made the algo oppression a little more tolerable has been the option to block or mute sources. I do it a lot. It becomes my way of curating the feed. But that is certainly more driving-by-emergency-brake than it is by design.

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But why are the algos pushing those accounts specifically? That is the question.
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They're optimized for engagement. That has little to do with what you like or agree with in the end. And violent reactions are typically the best ones for these platforms.

And sensible people don't get pushed because they don't generate a lot of passion, rage, or reaction, deadening the engagement levels with the platform.
 

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GordoDeCentral said:
I think you reply the algorithm interprets it as you wanna see more of it (make sense since they want more engagement). So it doesn't matter if it elicits positive or negative reaction, as a business they just want a reaction.

Anyways did you see the video of rabbi shmuley going on the Alex Jones show :D
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I didn't. Is it worth a listen?
 
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I give him props. Someone has to be the main villain on the Internetz from time to time. He found a way to trigger millions and they begrudgingly ate up the performance.
 
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You know they're just trolling you, right? From the TikTok wanker to the New York Post on down. It's like a human centipede of the Cam Troll Industrial Complex.
 
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GordoDeCentral said:
I don't know who you are following, but that has not been my experience. Also, in general I prefer for people to be able to speak their mind without having to walk on eggshells, regardless of how much i disagree with them. At least now you dont get banned for saying trans are not women.
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I’ve been discussing this with a co-worker for months now. My opinion is in line with yours.

Basically what he says is that X became far right, usually I respond by saying that probably a lot more people than we expected a year or two ago are actually conservatives, or have far right opinions on certain subjects, and we’re seeing that back in the shift in politics now.

Than ongoing to the next ‘problem’, what do you do with it. He hinted to moderating things and my opinion is that moderating opinions is just a nice word for censorship, especially if those opinions aren’t breaking any laws. It’s an argument he struggles to counter. And honestly analysing this, would you really want to give X employees the power to control narratives just because it isn’t in line with what the government thinks.

The only thing I struggle with is what do we do with disinformation and who has the monopoly on the truth in that case. I think that it’s for the police or services in the countries where it happens to fight that, but it’s a difficult subject. Also because it isn’t always very nuanced and simple things like memes can be very powerful.

I do agree with Elon Musk that as long as opinions aren’t breaking the law, free speech applies. But the reality is that it’s a quite complex discussion.
 
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U Picciriddu said:
I’ve been discussing this with a co-worker for months now. My opinion is in line with yours.

Basically what he says is that X became far right, usually I respond by saying that probably a lot more people than we expected a year or two ago are actually conservatives, or have far right opinions on certain subjects, and we’re seeing that back in the shift in politics now.

Than ongoing to the next ‘problem’, what do you do with it. He hinted to moderating things and my opinion is that moderating opinions is just a nice word for censorship, especially if those opinions aren’t breaking any laws. It’s an argument he struggles to counter. And honestly analysing this, would you really want to give X employees the power to control narratives just because it isn’t in line with what the government thinks.

The only thing I struggle with is what do we do with disinformation and who has the monopoly on the truth in that case. I think that it’s for the police or services in the countries where it happens to fight that, but it’s a difficult subject. Also because it isn’t always very nuanced and simple things like memes can be very powerful.

I do agree with Elon Musk that as long as opinions aren’t breaking the law, free speech applies. But the reality is that it’s a quite complex discussion.
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I have some Arizona beachfront property to sell you if you think Elon Musk is pro free speech.
 
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