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JuelzSantana

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Sep 28, 2017
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Except for that I don't care what Trump says or tries to sell to me, it's what I see and saw ever since he's in office. I want media to call out bullshit on both sides - and it's just not happening.
That's an interesting point. I think it's clear Trump is a narcissist, but if you agree with his policies people are willing to look over him as a person. I still think he'll win the election, but he shoots himself in the foot with his tweets, it adds fuel to the fire. If he would just shut up sometimes I think this wouldn't even be close. .

In the debate f.ex he made a decent point that if you set the minimum wage to 15 dollars, it would just make small businesses fire more people. That's a realistic perspective, but he made that claim and immediately took shots at Pelosi and Obama which took away the focus from the actual point. These are self-inflicted ways to invite criticism and move focus away from the policies.
 

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I'm not disputing that there are some news outlets that are full on against him like the MSNBC, but that's really no different than FOX's non-stop critique of Obama. There are plenty of news sources that do their jobs in a much more balanced way, but for some any criticism of Trump is seen as unfair and you can't please that crowd by telling the truth. COVID seems to be a good example of this. I think it's quite clear that he has failed to deal with COVID in a satisfactory way.
Yeah, and even I agree with the Covid stuff. But the difference here is Fox is one network. If 95% of the media is knowingly pushing lies like Russiagate and Trump being a racist, that's a huge problem, so it's not surprising Trump is hostile against them. But the propaganda clearly works as even intelligent people fall for it. I fully support investigative journalism but all we have in this country is yellow journalism when looking at politics, but that will disappear once Biden is elected and everything will be normal again.

Sadly, I have family members who are basically suffering from depression over Trump and covid, due to them taking the media's "reporting" as truth. They're highly educated and intelligent people, but they still live in the mindset they're watching Walter Concrite on the news every evening. Those days are long gone in this country, so I hold the media as adding fuel to the fire with respect to mental health during these times.


Andy has a point in that this has gone on since before the 2016 election. Trump farts and there are 10 news outlets who are claiming he's committing a WMD gas attack in the James S Brady Press Briefing Room. The thing is, the people paying their salaries know that asking for "how crazy Trump is" also helps their business ratings and ad dollars. So while I believe that many of the journalists are guilty of bias (it's human nature, after all), there's also a business bias towards hysterics because they sell.

But I disagree that in times of war the media rallies around the president. That hasn't been true since WWII... or at least the Korean War. Because there were clear challenges to Presidential policy for the Vietnam War. Even the first Gulf War of the 90s had its media detractors. And I knew plenty of examples of legit journalists who questioned the second Gulf War after 9/11... not to mention who ripped on the Patriot Act as treason. So I do not think the media have been Presidential yes men for decades... generations.

But the Biden theory that nobody will care about COVID once he's in office? Oh, he will have his detractors. And not just in the traditional conservative media. But he will get a much easier ride than Trump. Because, well, Biden isn't a belligerent bully with an ego problem and a fake empire persona.

I don't quite agree regarding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. There were some journalists questioning those actions, but generally the major networks simply reported on the decisions and reports being put out by sources at the government. For instance, they didn't question Powell's WMD's speech at the UN, nor do I recall anyone even questioning the official story of 9/11 with Afghanistan being the flashpoint. You're right about some of the others though.

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People seem to act surprised when Trump walks off from an interview or pops off at a moderator during a debate but everyone else seems to see it too. Since he announced his presidency he has been fighting ridiculous claims that the media peddles. It wouldn’t be an issue If the Media was consistent with everyone. But they aren’t.

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In other news:

Haven't people from CNN come out and say they would have morning calls from the CEO advising them to focus on certain stories to make Trump look bad? To say there is no bias against him is absurd.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Christ, it's pathetic. A couple of steps away from this:


2505? More like 2050.
I forget what I put on my write-in remote ballot... was it Camacho?

If so, I hope so!

I don't quite agree regarding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. There were some journalists questioning those actions, but generally the major networks simply reported on the decisions and reports being put out by sources at the government. For instance, they didn't question Powell's WMD's speech at the UN, nor do I recall anyone even questioning the official story of 9/11 with Afghanistan being the flashpoint. You're right about some of the others though.
It was this New Yorker piece from Nov 1998 that maybe didn't predict what we'd learn in 2001, but it told me every rational reason to believe that there were only DC hawks trumping up a WMD witch hunt in Iraq as a justification for a second invasion within a decade... when George Bush I showed the restraint to GTFO:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1998/11/09/scott-ritters-private-war

After reading that, and putting the pieces together on supposed US "intel", I knew it was a frame-up job made of lies... and it came from the New Yorker of all things.
 

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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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There were protests last night in philly because police shot and killed a black man.

looting and cars set on fire. Shit, I really moved out just in time
 

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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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yeah, but one day you may not 'move out just in time'.
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I don’t understand why people think that trump winning will make the looting go away.

if he wins, I say there’s a chance of more looting/riots.

if he loses, all his supporters live out in bumblefuck country, they won’t step foot in the city so they’ll probably just beat their wives and kids or something. That wouldn’t affect me at all.
 

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