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Hust

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May 29, 2005
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he wasn’t the droids they were looking for

basically, he didn’t fit the description of their enemy for the night
But he was literally telling them he shot/killed someone :lol:


It's like being on the most wanted poster and walking into a police station saying "I'm your guy" and they dismiss it because they are dealing with a small protest.
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Uh oh, blaming the victims alert ahead... :D



I think that's a gross generalization. I don't know much at all about those people and cannot make assumptions. They could be ISIS wannabe terrorists. They could be SJWs who have had it with white punks with guns wanting to enforce an apartheid, they could be lazy ACABers who are completely self-interested in their lives of criminal enterprise.

I don't know if they are part of a movement -- save I read the one shooting survivor was a medic for BLM demonstrations. Otherwise there's a skater boi and a dad. They are there in the streets with a kid with a gun. They could be there to loot or riot for all I know and not really give a rat's ass about politics or so-called movements (as if a given movement acts of one mind and one set of shared interests: you can't get liberals to focus on anything, always some animal rights or climate nut job has to chime in). I have no information to effectively make those assumptions the way you seem to be convinced.

And if someone has a criminal record and if that has any bearing, that's for the judicial system to decide. Someone having a criminal record doesn't automatically make them guilty of anything in the future.



That was pretty bizarre, IMO. I did see that.



To break polarization, I do wonder if a third perspective will make it better or worse. I hope better to break this binary, this-or-that-only loop. The superautomated mail sorting of people and who they are, what they are for, what their motivations are, and what they represent.

Now granted, I think a huge problem with American politics today is that people have become more single-issue voters -- whether that's guns, terrorism, God, gays, Blacks, etc. So fragmenting the political coalition landscape could lead to encouraging more of that, where people hold their noses at the offensive things a candidate does just because the politician supports their pet issue. And just look at Italy for a system where having more political parties isn't necessarily better.

But just two is a false binary.



It is unfortunate. But do you think it's deliberate on behalf of the people who feel such injustice?

Mentally, as a white dude, I can look at George Floyd or Breonna Taylor or Ahmaud Arbery or Jacob Blake and think, "What does that have to do with you?" I can make that separation. And while all black people aren't the same, are we to presume that every time someone like an Ahmaud Arbery gets killed they take it so personally ... so much that they no longer can concentrate and spend days in tears and grief over it. Are you saying that's faked? That when LeBron says he's so sick of it that he's just reacting that way for show?

There's a lot of people who experience that as real and personal and tragic. Even if you do not.

The fact is what you feel isn't what they feel. As much as I can try to empathize, I have no idea what it's like to be a black person who has carried the weight of an American legacy of racism to make them feel every rap with a billy club, every bullet fired by a cop at an unarmed boy, etc. Their grief is real. They aren't making that sh*t up for show or to gain sympathy points.

And as much as you can point at statistical plot charts, that is a rational approach. A logical argument. That doesn't fly for someone who feels a visceral, emotional reaction laden with a lot of cultural history and generational trauma. Does it make their experience of the same events any more or less correct or appropriate? Is it for us to judge if someone should be allowed to feel the way they do?
I definitely agree with you here, that there is an issue with transgenerational trauma in this, for as much as some want to dismiss history and say we’re living in a post-racism society now, that simply isn’t true for people who were alive during Jim Crow, segregation, and lynchings... and those whose parents and grandparents lived through it too. For them, they see no real ending to their oppression And trauma at the hands of the state, even if the nature of it has changed over time and become less overt. So I do agree that for the vast majority their grief, their fear, their rage over what is going on is genuine and sincere. And valid too.

I also think there is a major problem with how those who self-identify as black “allies” and SJWs bombard the community with images and videos of current black trauma and suffering. Every single event that’s recorded somehow goes viral, and I understand the idea is to force the issue and get justice, but it becomes a problem when that community you are trying to help has to experience these traumatic events over and over, on such a frequent basis.

I’m also not of the opinion that we need to be coddling the people rioting and looting through these protests. While their visceral, emotional reaction is valid and real, I don’t think that it is okay to be normalizing violent riots and excusing such behaviour as the okay, due to circumstance. While there is the very real cultural history and trauma there, and a line can be traced from events of the past through today, the situation today is vastly different from the past when riots were part and parcel of demanding even the most basic of rights for marginalized and oppressed groups. Of course this by no means excuses groups of moronic vigilantes deciding to take matters into their own hands, those people are easily as bad as those rioting.

There aren’t really any easy answers here. The weight of history, including recent, makes it an almost impossible issue to solve, for there will always be those who believe whatever is done is not enough to make up for such a long history of oppression and those who believe that whatever is done is too much for a history we mostly weren’t alive for, for the sins of ancestors.

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It’s hard to imagine how trust can be fostered between police and the black community when you have police officers speaking like this about how they can’t wait for a coming race war to go out and slaughter blacks and wipe them off the map.
 
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swag

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Well done mate, congrats, I hope the swim wasn't too exhausting but now you made it
Before Hurricane Laura this week, he was in Louisiana. :shifty:

I definitely agree with you here, that there is an issue with transgenerational trauma here, for as much as some want to dismiss history and say were living in a post-racism society now, that simply isn’t true for people who were alive during Jim Crow, segregation, and lynchings... and those whose parents and grandparents lived through it too. For them, they see no real ending to their oppression And trauma at the hands of the state, even if the nature of it has changed over time and become less overt. So I do agree that for the vast majority their grief, their fear, their rage over what is going on is genuine and sincere. And valid too.

I also think there is a major problem with how those who self-identify as black “allies” and SJWs bombard the community with images and videos of current black trauma and suffering. Every single event that’s recorded somehow goes viral, and I understand the idea is to force the issue and get justice, but it becomes a problem when that community you are trying to help has to experience these traumatic events over and over, on such a frequent basis.
Yep. I can't feel the trauma that they do. But it's real. And yet there's no shortage of white people who feel entitled to tell others how they should feel, what they should and should not care about (e.g., black-on-black murder being so much more than police brutality), and how they should grieve or not. It's really a pretty major butt-hole move when you think about it. "Here's a chart ... stop crying about the random police killing and this is what you should be crying about!" These people would be great at funerals.

But yeah, I think the allies and SJWs can make it even worse. For them, they can play black trauma and death on infinite repeat video loops as part of their "activism", scaring and re-traumatizing black people every time in their overearnest efforts.

On both of these counts, this is perhaps where allies and the like need to back the f off and not try to presume what black people experience.

I’m also not of the opinion that we need to be coddling the people rioting and looting through these protests. While their visceral, emotional reaction is valid and real, I don’t think that it is okay to be normalizing violent riots and excusing such behaviour as the okay, due to circumstance. While there is the very real cultural history and trauma there, and a line can be traced from events of the past through today, the situation today is vastly different from the past when riots were part and parcel of demanding even the most basic of rights for marginalized and oppressed groups. Of course this by no means excuses groups of moronic vigilantes deciding to take matters into their own hands, those people are easily as bad as those rioting.

There aren’t really any easy answers here. The weight of history, including recent, makes it an almost impossible issue to solve, for their will always be those who believe whatever is done is not enough to make up for such a long history of oppression and those who believe that whatever is done is too much for a history we mostly weren’t alive for, for the sins of ancestors.
You can be angry and pissed off. But that never justifies destroying or harming others. That's true in your own house as it is in your own community.

And yeah, we're left with a situation where blacks are literally going to be re-traumatized and triggered by every visible sign of unjust violence by the police committed on a black person -- in a way that no white person ever identifies with a white victim of the same. It's completely asymmetric, with historical roots and reasons.

I am curious about how South Africa ended Apartheid with the truth and reconciliation approach. Having stories heard is sometimes a lot more powerful than the typical American response to injury, which is to throw lawyers and money at the problem until it goes away.
 

Hust

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go to south beach
South Beach Trannies, yo
lol you guys end up watching the trump speech yesterday? I doubt it BUT if you did and stuck around for the opera singer, you see the guy next to the singer? :grin:

(this has nothing to do with Trump I promise)....

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Am I right or am I right?
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@GordoDeCentral @Enron @Ronn @Bjerknes - gotta get all the Muricanos on this.
 
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GordoDeCentral

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lol you guys end up watching the trump speech yesterday? I doubt it BUT if you did and stuck around for the opera singer, you see the guy next to the singer? :grin:

(this has nothing to do with Trump I promise)....

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Am I right or am I right?
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@GordoDeCentral @Enron @Ronn @Bjerknes - gotta get all the Muricanos on this.
Dude that rob Pilatus @swag
 

ALC

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my favorite excerpts from that article:

1.

Playing to the Iron Range crowd, Pence said, “The president stood up to Chinese steel dumping,” a sentiment later echoed by Virginia Mayor Larry Cuffe.
In a fact check, it’s notable both men failed to acknowledge how President Barack Obama was the first to go after Chinese steel dumping, sending his chief of staff, Denis McDonough, to Virginia in 2015 to address the matter. During what was a depressed time for the mines, the Obama-led effort put high tariffs on Chinese steel products and signaled a turnaround on the Iron Range.


2.

"I don't consider him a politician," Arenz, of Savage, Minnesota, said of Trump. "He's the president of the United States and the president of the world. What he's doing by stopping endless wars wouldn't have happened without him."
"I don't care what comes out of his mouth," Klein, of Richfield, Minnesota, said of Trump. "I care that he has balls.”


3.

Regarding the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, there were hardly any masks worn and social distancing was not adhered to at the event.

“We are on track to have the world’s first coronavirus vaccine before the end of the year,” Pence said, making a claim some doubt is possible.


4.
Gov. Tim Walz stood up for Biden after the Pence event, telling the News Tribune there will also be several local officials who support the Biden-Harris ticket. Walz asked Minnesotans to consider whether they’ve seen an improvement in their quality of life since Trump took office.
“I would ask them if they’re better off in Chisholm than they were three-and-a-half years ago, if they’re better off in Virginia than three-and-a-half years ago, and if they want to continue to live in a country where you can’t even go to Thanksgiving dinner with your own family because politics makes it so toxic,” Walz said.
 

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