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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I mean it is like Twitter? People just snap at each other citing examples of extreme idiots on each side? Recently trigger warnings are being issued too (sarcastic I hope).
There’s literally a ton of no context twitter posts :lol:


and things still drift toward a conservative pitty party whether we like it or not
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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There’s literally a ton of no context twitter posts :lol:


and things still drift toward a conservative pitty party whether we like it or not
Is that what you honestly think of my opinions? Just asking. Because although I am a Republican, I'm as moderate as you can get.
 

GordoDeCentral

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I mean it is like Twitter? People just snap at each other citing examples of extreme idiots on each side? Recently trigger warnings are being issued too (sarcastic I hope).
He is being sarcastic lol i also disagree that it is like Twitter i don't see anyone getting personal or holding the views against their author, unless of course you don't like the person to begin with.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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There’s literally a ton of no context twitter posts :lol:


and things still drift toward a conservative pitty party whether we like it or not
Nah you just got too used to hearing your side of the story all the time, gotta balance it out a bit. I doubt you follow any conservatives to begin with, which is the case for most of twitter, it's constant self affirmation. And trust me the only pity i have is for the other side.
 

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Tickle Me
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Is that what you honestly think of my opinions? Just asking. Because although I am a Republican, I'm as moderate as you can get.
I actually respect your opinion quite strongly. And you are pretty moderate.

The pity party comment wasn’t directed to you. Just a general observation of how things tend to go lately.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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i don’t think you know enough about the Byrd situation. dude talked about his mistakes constantly for the rest of his life, wasn’t a magical poof.
So when in a grown man's age and maturity of knowing right and wrong do you suddenly realize how fucked up you were to an entire race?

From Wiki, an easy search:

""I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.""

How does that mentality suddenly disappear from a mans soul?
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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this is actually reading and seeing what you guys post there in Usa.
Black people rioting and looting, attacking innocent people cause of their skin color and media not giving a fuck cause you know the actual narrative impose standing with blacks cause of Floyd.
Then the abuses going on.

It's just that you guys living there are freaking brainwashed and from a neutral prospective I find it sickening and disturbing honestly.

On the other hand I just wanna see what's the point of non return when people gonna stand for themself or and stop this jungle law where the mob or the blacks can literally do anything unpunished just cause there is tension/rioting/looters around the country.

I agree this is all fake rage. A minoirty might actually be protesting against police but I see the bigger part being there just for the opportunity to steal something and go unpunished. Or to beat people cause they feel "the victims of the system" so beating someone on the street cause of skin color might help them release the "stress".

If it was still a normal country people seeing a girl being beaten for no-reason would have jumped beating the racists. Instead cause they were black and everyone is afraid to be called "racist" they stand there do nothing and record with their phone.

The narrative so IS that everyone's afraid to be called racist so those people use it for anything to get a free pass at anything.

Wake up guys :D or Idiocracy will be real and for the record I would be happy if it is I'm just afraid that your shit will spread to Europe.
What's lost by 95% of the population, it seems, is that a complex situation gets overly conflated into reductionist, easy, convenient narratives. This is the same mechanisms behind what makes conspiracy theories popular. Some people are in a greater mental comfort zone to think, " x people are like this, y people are like that. My homework is done." Because the alternative requires holding paradoxes in your head and conflicting ideas. Some people are OK with doing that, but a lot of people want simple, black and white answers.

Thus you have protestors. You have looters. You have rioters. They are all lumped under a single umbrella of "BLM". But that's a lie. They are separate with very little overlap. Each is motivated by different things. Each has different goals and aims of what they want to see. But tie it all up in a bow and package it on the shelves, and people equate them all together as one entity when they are anything but.

And? They don't even know who their enemy is anymore and when you hear them try to justify WHY THAT STATUE they are fucking idiots.

No excuse.
Some people just want to see the world burn. That's not everybody though. There are people who seek immortality by knocking the noses and limbs off of historic sculptures and artpieces, even if they're just d*cks.

Slightly more constructive are the clowns who think that rebranding pancake syrup and ice cream bars amounts to emancipation and racial justice. Some people want their piss to live longer than themselves, even if it's all futile in the end.

Can you imagine the liberal outrage in the media if white people destroy an MLK or Malcom X statue as a retaliation?
Well, one was an adulterer and sexual assault apologist while the other was a pimp who did 6+ in prison and advocated segregation just as much as George Wallace.

I agree, you have to understand the historical context. No reason for a statue of Robert E Lee to be in a majority black neighborhood in 2020

Same as there’s no reason to blow up my Rushmore in 2020
Like the Taliban and the Buddha statues of Bamiyan.

I'm not leaving. No way. Not after the sacrifices my parents made to come here from Italy in the 1960's. That would be the most disrespectful thing I could ever do. If I leave the US, its because I won the lottery and bought a villa in Tuscany :lol:
Dude, that deal has been changed. Your parents can't project the future for infinite time. They did the right thing for you at the time. That doesn't mean it's permanently a good idea you know. The balance is shifting. The US is now an also-ran as a global superpower and has retreated in its own narcissism and self-destruction. It's not a good look. And it is not the country your parents moved there for.

Take it from me. While I am not giving up my US citizenship anytime soon, I sure am hell happier here these past couple of years.

Because tourism and mass migration are very different things. People who have it good don't consider migration. No one wants to leave friends and family just because.

The ability to communicate fast and with very little cost should allow us to use resources on a global scale and improve the lives of all instead of the lucky few.
I dunno. Tourism is like Immigration Light. It impacts and changes communities, business, guts economic districts, causes gentrification and evictions. People tolerate tourists a little better because they bring money to spend and they expect to leave soon enough, but that is changing too. Overtourism is real. The worst thing about where I live are the armies of weekend Brits who'd come to get sh*tfaced, scream, and vomit everywhere because they act like 12-year-olds who could never get away with it at home with parental supervision. I can clearly understand why Spain advocated balconing.

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People who have it good do consider migration. At least now they do. This gets to the participatory citizenship I mentioned. Cities are now competing for talent and economic growth with some of the more attractive prospects for taxes, local competition, etc.

Rice Krispies are racist.

Mary Poppens is racists.

Kimmel is not. He gets a high paid vaca for working 18 years.


#WokeLife.
Kimmel has never had any talent. Ever. Since when he started. I don't get why that guy wasn't shot in the head the moment after Al Michaels introduced him on Monday Night Football a couple decades ago.

I mean it is like Twitter? People just snap at each other citing examples of extreme idiots on each side? Recently trigger warnings are being issued too (sarcastic I hope).
You do realize that the role of Twitter is to get people to react and trigger without thinking. All autonomic nervous system. Right?
 

campionesidd

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To the conservatives and liberals on this thread, instead of ad hominems and posting extreme examples from both sides, how about discussing why you fall where you are on the political spectrum. For me, the top issues in the US today (the current pandemic notwithstanding) are income inequality, lack of affordable healthcare, gun violence (including both gang violence and mass shootings), increasing political and racial division, environmental standards and finally corporations having too much power.
I find the Democrats are worse when it comes to some issues such as identity politics and failing to control crime in Democrat run cities whereas Trump and Republicans fail on basically every other issue (it's not that Democrats are much better on economics either). Of course there are some good Republican leaders on the local level and state level, which is why I feel you should vote for candidates based on policy, not party.
 

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Tickle Me
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So when in a grown man's age and maturity of knowing right and wrong do you suddenly realize how fucked up you were to an entire race?

From Wiki, an easy search:

""I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.""

How does that mentality suddenly disappear from a mans soul?
Times change and so do people. But when you make the choices and statements that Byrd did in his past, you have to spend the rest of your life answering for them, taking personal responsibility. I’m not a huge Byrd fan. I was a Rockefeller guy growing up.


I think your point that liberals are racist and bad is true and valid. However, so are conservatives.

The core values of each philosophy are meant to better society. So why point the finger and try to stick it to each other? All we end up with is two terrible choices for president and a divided country.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Times change and so do people. But when you make the choices and statements that Byrd did in his past, you have to spend the rest of your life answering for them, taking personal responsibility. I’m not a huge Byrd fan. I was a Rockefeller guy growing up.


I think your point that liberals are racist and bad is true and valid. However, so are conservatives.

The core values of each philosophy are meant to better society. So why point the finger and try to stick it to each other? All we end up with is two terrible choices for president and a divided country.
Racism doesn't really have a political spectrum, but I do believe there are more on one side than the other :p
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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I don't get this logic though. People obsess about black-on-black violence as if that's supposed to justify state violence against unarmed civilians. "Officer: Hey, I'd give a crap about your civil rights and all, and not getting your head blown off because you called us cops to narc on someone in your backyard, but ... come on. You guys are killing each other all the time! Deal with it."

State-sponsored violence justifies it from the state. And then if you even when you want to bring up black-on-black violence, what are they supposed to do now? Invite state-sponsored violence to shoot everybody to break it up without repercussions?
The logic is so flawed i don't know where to begin. Black on black crime is punished. Anyone on anyone's crime has to be punished and it does. Treat all these crimes similarly and win all the arguments. Rodney King's riots didn't start until after the officers' acquittal.

Hey, why should Afghanis complain about Obama's drone bombing campaigns that torched innocent civilians? Afghanis are blowing each other up all the time!
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And that they are blowing each other up all the time automatically devalues an Afghan's life; if they kill their own then a few hundred more doesn't matter. Who in the world thinks of Obama as a war criminal? Shortly after one of those drone attacks, he got teared up speaking about Sandy Hook kids, it didn't matter that he was directly responsible for the Afghan kids' lives those drone strikes took.
 

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