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Andy has said it already, couldn't pay me enough to be an Officer right now, certainly not in these big cities.
I don't know how to fix police brutality b/c there is no real way of knowing whether or not a cop is going to snap on someone down the road when they are first hired and going through the academy. IMO, one of the best ways to "try" and fix it is to start punishing their partners who don't report their partners who start showing signs they are losing it or threatening to use excessive force when it isn't justified. I think people might be less reluctant to be an asshole if it means they can get reported and punished before they have a chance to do it.
In the military people can report up the chain and it certainly isn't easy especially when you are outranked but the duty is to do the right thing even when the decision is unpopular. I think the end product of inaction for someone who doesn't speak up should also end in punishment.
I don't know about you guys, but when I watch the video my anger turns from the guy with his knee on the guys neck to the guys partners standing around ignoring EVERYONE saying the guy is dying. Those fuckers deserve the same punishment because not one of them made the conscious and yes UNPOPULAR decision to do the right thing. And for what reason, b/c they didn't want to show weakness? They didn't want to go agains their brother/sister in arms in front of everyone? Those clowns are surely looking back wishing they had did the right thing and drag that cop off his back.
All it takes is one or two assholes making a dumb fucking decision and how quickly the escalation from anger and sadness turns into mayhem.
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And yes, yesterday was a dark day.
I don't know how to fix police brutality b/c there is no real way of knowing whether or not a cop is going to snap on someone down the road when they are first hired and going through the academy. IMO, one of the best ways to "try" and fix it is to start punishing their partners who don't report their partners who start showing signs they are losing it or threatening to use excessive force when it isn't justified. I think people might be less reluctant to be an asshole if it means they can get reported and punished before they have a chance to do it.
In the military people can report up the chain and it certainly isn't easy especially when you are outranked but the duty is to do the right thing even when the decision is unpopular. I think the end product of inaction for someone who doesn't speak up should also end in punishment.
I don't know about you guys, but when I watch the video my anger turns from the guy with his knee on the guys neck to the guys partners standing around ignoring EVERYONE saying the guy is dying. Those fuckers deserve the same punishment because not one of them made the conscious and yes UNPOPULAR decision to do the right thing. And for what reason, b/c they didn't want to show weakness? They didn't want to go agains their brother/sister in arms in front of everyone? Those clowns are surely looking back wishing they had did the right thing and drag that cop off his back.
All it takes is one or two assholes making a dumb fucking decision and how quickly the escalation from anger and sadness turns into mayhem.
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And yes, yesterday was a dark day.
I agree with you
It’s more about getting rid of bad cops, less bad cops, less bad decisions
it’s a difficult job which is why terrible people shouldn’t do it
police reform isn’t that difficult, there are usually signs of a bad police officer, don’t cover them up, come up with a policy of correction and later dismissal
there’s absolutely no reason why a police officer who proves he’s not police material in one jurisdiction should be able to get a job in another especially if said fuck up resulted in death
It’s more about getting rid of bad cops, less bad cops, less bad decisions
it’s a difficult job which is why terrible people shouldn’t do it
police reform isn’t that difficult, there are usually signs of a bad police officer, don’t cover them up, come up with a policy of correction and later dismissal
there’s absolutely no reason why a police officer who proves he’s not police material in one jurisdiction should be able to get a job in another especially if said fuck up resulted in death
I guess that's my point. How can one be determined is "terrible" going through the academy? I don't know what kind of psychological testing cadets go through... The issue also is being a cop for a long time numbs you too, people can become cold and less fearful of retribution which is where their partners (who know them best b/c they see them daily) come into play.
The first people that usually see when a cop is (or becoming) bad is their partners. If they ignore the issue b/c its "their partner" then they too are the problem and need dealt with. That's the angle I'm looking at this. If I see a copy drive by, I have no way of knowing whether or not they are a bad cop, but the person sitting in their car with them would know.
I agree 100% with the last one. Sorta like losing a security clearance, once you lose it because you fucked up there is no way you're going to get another one. Same should apply to law enforcement. I'm not sure if you're specifically reference this guy or all police, but my thought is more pressure needs put on partners who do nothing. They are guilty too in my book.
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I know these are extreme examples, but in the HR side of retail we were always trained to look for clues of people stealing through odd behavior. In the intelligence community you look for the same thing. At work you look for signs of extreme behavioral changes so I don't see why the same ominous can't be put on fell law enforcement coworkers who fail to identify (or ignore) extreme behavioral shifts in their coworkers.
I can't wait to hear what excuse those men will have on trial about their in action.
The first people that usually see when a cop is (or becoming) bad is their partners. If they ignore the issue b/c its "their partner" then they too are the problem and need dealt with. That's the angle I'm looking at this. If I see a copy drive by, I have no way of knowing whether or not they are a bad cop, but the person sitting in their car with them would know.
I agree 100% with the last one. Sorta like losing a security clearance, once you lose it because you fucked up there is no way you're going to get another one. Same should apply to law enforcement. I'm not sure if you're specifically reference this guy or all police, but my thought is more pressure needs put on partners who do nothing. They are guilty too in my book.
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I know these are extreme examples, but in the HR side of retail we were always trained to look for clues of people stealing through odd behavior. In the intelligence community you look for the same thing. At work you look for signs of extreme behavioral changes so I don't see why the same ominous can't be put on fell law enforcement coworkers who fail to identify (or ignore) extreme behavioral shifts in their coworkers.
I can't wait to hear what excuse those men will have on trial about their in action.
I think we're looking at dead zones in a lot of US cities, just like in Detroit. The areas destroyed by looters and rioters, some owners will try to rebuild, others will be wiped out forever as the neighborhood risk continues. Police will have their hands tied and may even stop patrolling certain areas, which they probably already do anyway. People are already looking to move to the suburbs due to the Covid threat alone, so this will only exacerbate that trend. Between Covid, unrest, and economic uncertainty, these cities are fucked. If we were going to have anything other than an "L" shaped recovery in the broader economy, those chances are pretty slim now, IMO.
Those cities were already on a rough trend, this only puts that trend on a high speed train to get to the end much more quickly. Baltimore is lucky enough to be close enough to DC to see some of the "wealth" stay. Other cities like Detroit really don't have much of anything to fall back on if anything at all.
I was in Rosslyn, VA for 3 years, and walked into Georgetown every day for work. It was fun, I don't miss it though. I'm only 25 mins from DC and I only go for work now, I find no pleasure visiting the city anymore.
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How then would you weed out bad apples? I'd wager to bet you'd find a lot of evidence in arrest reports, body cam footage, dash cam footage on an officers attitude and behavior during arrests but I'm sure all that is looked at in court but only when it makes it to court. That kind of footage should routinely be reviewed by leadership in these precincts. No body likes routine tax audits, I doubt cops would like routine audits either to inspect their behavior then have to try and defend their actions when evidence is found they overstepped boundaries.
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How then would you weed out bad apples? I'd wager to bet you'd find a lot of evidence in arrest reports, body cam footage, dash cam footage on an officers attitude and behavior during arrests but I'm sure all that is looked at in court but only when it makes it to court. That kind of footage should routinely be reviewed by leadership in these precincts. No body likes routine tax audits, I doubt cops would like routine audits either to inspect their behavior then have to try and defend their actions when evidence is found they overstepped boundaries.
Pretty much agree with all your posts. Spitballing widly here, but a way to motivate cops to self police themselves in their criminal or abusive behaviours, might be that instead of the City/State paying the damages/lawsuits/compensation, that it comes out from union and police pensions. Becomes more self motivating factor to make sure your dumbass colleagues dont affect your future in tangible way.
Not that the City council or states systematically looking the other way or actively covering for them (or indirectly encouraging the cops to cover up their own dirt) isnt an issue in itself as is. But just way to spread the impact a little more to the cops themselves if they cant be motivated currently to stand up to the bad elements amongst them (and that if they can do that, there is a real system in place to support them for it, instead of ostracize them).
Not that the City council or states systematically looking the other way or actively covering for them (or indirectly encouraging the cops to cover up their own dirt) isnt an issue in itself as is. But just way to spread the impact a little more to the cops themselves if they cant be motivated currently to stand up to the bad elements amongst them (and that if they can do that, there is a real system in place to support them for it, instead of ostracize them).