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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Yeah. You just posted a single one of their ratings to support your point. Switching to best overall rankings of states and how they perform for their residents, Texas ranks 38th, California ranks 19th. Making California a far superior state to reside in.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings
All of the above is irrelevant to both the subject i was discussing, namely some states needing bailouts, and my later point about the Texas vs California migration destination, where i clearly stated none of these numbers matter.
 

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Post Ironic

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All of the above is irrelevant to both the subject i was discussing, namely some states needing bailouts, and my later point about the Texas vs California migration destination, where i clearly stated none of these numbers matter.
Fair enough. But my point here was that migration numbers aren’t really the only indicator of a failed/successful state.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Fair enough. But my point here was that migration numbers aren’t really the only indicator of a failed/successful state.
It is obviously a very personal choice, and one that can be skewed with added incentives, i personally wouldn't want to live in California but if the right opportunity knocks who knows. Also i do believe over time people movement is a pretty good indicator, a good example would be the east/west berlin border.


Edit. This just made me think of this quote "you may all go to hell and i will go to Texas"
 

Post Ironic

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It is obviously a very personal choice, and one that can be skewed with added incentives, i personally wouldn't want to live in California but if the right opportunity knocks who knows. Also i do believe over time people movement is a pretty good indicator, a good example would be the east/west berlin border.


Edit. This just made me think of this quote "you may all go to hell and i will go to Texas"
Agreed, and the other factors do include weather, environmental, and natural beauty, factors which often favour the west coast (or Florida and Arizona). Here in Canada, BC gets all the retirees with money, because it’s the most desirable place to live in the country if you can afford it, in large part due to natural advantages. But it certainly pushes away the less wealthy, and young people who can’t find good paying work in this province due to lack of industry and more and more heavily limited natural resources jobs.
 

Ronn

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Personally, based on his past statements and actions I cannot see this as anything more than him trying to put on a show for political posturing. He specifically mentions sanctuary cities, for example. Whether you're in agreement with them or not, we all know how much his base froths at the mouth over that. As for taxes, I don't understand how a reduction in payroll taxes would help to close budgetary shortfalls.

tl;dr - No doubt many many are poorly run and need reform, I just don't trust that is his intention or he is capable to effectively do so.

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Looking at that link...what does New Jersey actually do besides have Atlantic City and provide cheaper housing for New Yorkers?
Not sure how significant their numbers are, but NJ has a lot of engineering, and advanced manufacturing firms. In my area of work it’s probably easier to find a job in Jersey than NY.

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It is obviously a very personal choice, and one that can be skewed with added incentives, i personally wouldn't want to live in California but if the right opportunity knocks who knows. Also i do believe over time people movement is a pretty good indicator, a good example would be the east/west berlin border.


Edit. This just made me think of this quote "you may all go to hell and i will go to Texas"
I saw this quote many times on bumper stickers and T shirts in my years in Texas, and never knew who said it (Davy Crockett who died in Alamo).
 
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Enron

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No doubt this is pandering to his base, all politicians are, some are just more polished than others, though in the case of trump his non-polishedness is his biggest asset.

However he does have a point here imo I think it was friedman who once noted that you don't need numbers to see with society is successful and which isn't it, people vote with their feet, all you need to do is follow people's movement, are people going in or out of california vs Texas?
West Virginia is the worst
 

swag

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I think there are two distinctions to be made here, one is state fiscal relationship vis a vis federal govt in the form of federal income tax. And the other is how fiscally responsible is the state(state tax, real estate tax...)and i think that's what Trump is referring to here, some states that are on the brink of insolvency, just check illinois bond rating, will seize this opportunity to address some of that deficit at the expense of states that have been fiscally responsible.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/fiscal-stability
Yeah. Illinois is a dumpster fire. All their governors end up in prison, and the state is drowning in pension debt. Ironically, COVID-19 is one of the few things that could bail out the state if enough retirees on the public dole kick the bucket sooner.

And as long as 'Merica has these people:
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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:lol: nice. I love that state but it’s also a dumpster fire
I don't mind driving through it, its quite pretty actually. Too far from the highway though you start seeing some shit.

Whats funny though is if you start acting like straight hillbilly trash in WV no one cares what you do.

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I was driving back to Ohio to visit family a few years back and saw a sign for a strip club so I said fuck it, lets check out some WV boobies and I walked in, ordered a mellow yellow, looked around, and left as soon as I was finished drinking it. #Don'tStop
 

AFL_ITALIA

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It is obviously a very personal choice, and one that can be skewed with added incentives, i personally wouldn't want to live in California but if the right opportunity knocks who knows. Also i do believe over time people movement is a pretty good indicator, a good example would be the east/west berlin border.


Edit. This just made me think of this quote "you may all go to hell and i will go to Texas"
I think for the vast majority of people (of course not all), it comes down to simply the question of "can I afford to live here?"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/427-Drury-Ln-Austin-TX-78737/114157308_zpid/
A piece of property that size in LA would probably be twice the price. But I've also heard of plenty of older Americans move south because taxes are lower and the weather is better.

I'd like to do more research regarding the age range of people migrating and to where, because I've found conflicting information about it during my study breaks thus far, but I think that could provide more clarity on it. Like you said though, it's a very personal choice.

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Not sure how significant their numbers are, but NJ has a lot of engineering, and advanced manufacturing firms. In my area of work it’s probably easier to find a job in Jersey than NY.

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I saw this quote many times on bumper stickers and T shirts in my years in Texas, and never knew who said it (Davy Crockett who died in Alamo).
I'm seeing a trend of some entry-level jobs moving to North Jersey, but still close to Manhattan.
 

JuveJay

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He's going to lay out his economic plan tomorrow, for those interested.
Trump? I'll have a go:

"The Democrats are holding us back. Soon we will be back to work. Very soon."

"Gun ranges will open. Golf courses will open. Strip clubs will open. All the essential services."

"We have the best economy, everyone wants an economy like ours. Best stock market, lowest unemployment."

"Very soon we will have the best economy in the history of the world once again. Not China. They want an economy like ours".

"I have some excellent plans on how to combat the virus. Very smart. Doctors were impressed with my knowledge. I will get America open again".

"By the end of summer the economy will be so strong you will completely forget about your dead relatives and friends. MAWA".
 

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