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[Cerval]

No I think the alarmist view is a hoax. Do I believe the climate is cyclical yes, do I think we should be better stewards of our planet and stop harming it yes. Transversely I don't believe the world is ending in 12 years nor do I believe we're going to continue warming until Armageddon

Why don't you believe the scientific consensus? On what, are you basing your opinion other than a hunch?

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Why don't you believe the scientific consensus? On what, are you basing your opinion other than a hunch?

Well scientific consensus these days is not only a bit political but skewed toward a certain view point. There are many scientists whom call out the predictive models and the damage that is supposedly being perpetrated by man etc
It's like the swell of intelligent design physicists and scientists but the Darwinians squash their points.
Once science becomes political it no longer is science

 

[Post Ironic]

Well scientific consensus these days is not only a bit political but skewed toward a certain view point. There are many scientists whom call out the predictive models and the damage that is supposedly being perpetrated by man etc
It's like the swell of intelligent design physicists and scientists but the Darwinians squash their points.
Once science becomes political it no longer is science

Please.

Once science becomes religious it is no longer science. And all intelligent design/creationism at its base level is religion inspired. It’s no better than people like Aquinas and others trying to make an illogical marriage of faith and reason centuries ago.

The vast majority of scientists believe all the evidence points to humans exacerbating climate change and causing issues on this planet.

And very very few scientists are saying the world is going to end in the next 12 years let alone 100 years. That’s a few retarded politicians engaging in hyperbole.

The reverse is also true with retarded politicians in the Republican Party refusing to even acknowledge the idea that climate change is a thing.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Please.

Once science becomes religious it is no longer science. And all intelligent design/creationism at its base level is religion inspired. It’s no better than people like Aquinas and others trying to make an illogical marriage of faith and reason centuries ago.

The vast majority of scientists believe all the evidence points to humans exacerbating climate change and causing issues on this planet.

And very very few scientists are saying the world is going to end in the next 12 years let alone 100 years. That’s a few retarded politicians engaging in hyperbole.

The reverse is also true with retarded politicians in the Republican Party refusing to even acknowledge the idea that climate change is a thing.

No it isn't. It just follows the science thats points to an intelligent design. It doesn't call it God nor does it attach it to a religion. So why is it religion inspired. That's a cop out and automatically dismisses a theory because of bias. Not scientific method

 

[Cerval]

Not scientific method

You dismiss scientifics and then you say this. I don't think you're in a position to say that their reports have political means when you haven't studied the subject. The ones with political means are those that deny climate change

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You dismiss scientifics and then you say this. I don't you're in a position to say that their reports have political means when you haven't studied the subject. The ones with political means are those that deny climate change

First off no one is denying climate change that is a falicy. The difference is what the cause and what honestly the effect of humanity and technology cause. No one says it isn't changing

 

[campionesidd]

Well scientific consensus these days is not only a bit political but skewed toward a certain view point. There are many scientists whom call out the predictive models and the damage that is supposedly being perpetrated by man etc
It's like the swell of intelligent design physicists and scientists but the Darwinians squash their points.
Once science becomes political it no longer is science

Lost me there.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Lost me there.

There are more than you think

 

[Post Ironic]

No it isn't. It just follows the science thats points to an intelligent design. It doesn't call it God nor does it attach it to a religion. So why is it religion inspired. That's a cop out and automatically dismisses a theory because of bias. Not scientific method

What?

There’s no science that points to intelligent design (as in the less absurd sounding name for creationism).

Lol that intelligent design isn’t religion-inspired. It’s funded by religion and only started as a hypothesis because of religion in the first place.

There was a desire, as there always has been, to marry religion and science and create a more plausible theory that would allow for a God/Intelligent creator behind it all. You have to be loonie to suggest the basis of it didn’t come from religion.

And no scientists don’t outright dismiss it. It’s been debunked over and over. There’s no evidence of a creator/designer behind it all. Saying that certain things and designs in nature, and aspects of life itself are absurdly unlikely isn’t evidence for an intelligent creator arranging everything. Lol

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What?

There’s no science that points to intelligent design (as in the less absurd sounding name for creationism).

Lol that intelligent design isn’t religion-inspired. It’s funded by religion and only started as a hypothesis because of religion in the first place.

There was a desire, as there always has been, to marry religion and science and create a more plausible theory that would allow for a God/Intelligent creator behind it all. You have to be loonie to suggest the basis of it didn’t come from religion.

And no scientists don’t outright dismiss it. It’s been debunked over and over. There’s no evidence of a creator/designer behind it all. Saying that certain things and designs in nature, and aspects of life itself are absurdly unlikely isn’t evidence for an intelligent creator arranging everything. Lol

Guess you don't read what I sent you

 

[Post Ironic]

First off no one is denying climate change that is a falicy. The difference is what the cause and what honestly the effect of humanity and technology cause. No one says it isn't changing

The overwhelming consensus is that humanity is effecting climate change to a large degree.

This doesn’t mean we’re not in a warming cycle already and that there isn’t also natural climate change. Of course. No scientist says this. But almost all of them say humans are making it much worse.

For an example of fantastic effects of humans on this planet, look up coastal ocean dead zones. Which are rapidly growing, because of unregulated use of fertilizers and other stuff that runs off into the ocean. And trump and his cronies deregulate these things to make it even easier to pollute.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The overwhelming consensus is that humanity is effecting climate change to a large degree.

This doesn’t mean we’re not in a warming cycle already and that there isn’t also natural climate change. Of course. No scientist says this. But almost all of them say humans are making it much worse.

For an example of fantastic effects of humans on this planet, look up coastal ocean dead zones. Which are rapidly growing, because of unregulated use of fertilizers and other stuff that runs off into the ocean. And trump and his cronies deregulate these things to make it even easier to pollute.

I'm not saying we are not if you read above. I just don't believe the world ends in 12 years

 

[AndreaCristiano]

@postironic move this to the global warming thread and read my post there

 

[Post Ironic]

I'm not saying we are not if you read above. I just don't believe the world ends in 12 years

Who believes this? No one. Maybe some retards somewhere, but certainly no one here. So why say it?

 

[X Æ A-12]

I don't believe the earth ends in 12 years but you can't prove it won't be flat by then.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Who believes this? No one. Maybe some retards somewhere, but certainly no one here. So why say it?

Because it's being promilgated by a major party in the US of A and they made a horrible green new deal to combat it with alot of nonsense. I think we're in need of adjustment and we have to be nuanced and smart about it

 

[Post Ironic]

Guess you don't read what I sent you

I’ve read it before. But it is just one scientists opinion. And at the base of it is the beginning that people thought there was intelligent bedding initially because all of them were religious, and all of them were trying to explain natural phenomena through the eyes of religion.

I don’t believe it’s impossible that their could be an intelligent creation impulse somewhere, but the saying things are too complex for chance is just an opinion, and that’s what’s that is, an opinion piece. Not actual evidence.

Anyways. We disagree. Fair enough. No point arguing this further

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I’ve read it before. But it is just one scientists opinion. And at the base of it is the beginning that people thought there was intelligent bedding initially because all of them were religious, and all of them were trying to explain natural phenomena through the eyes of religion.

I don’t believe it’s impossible that their could be an intelligent creation impulse somewhere, but the saying things are too complex for chance is just an opinion, and that’s what’s that is, an opinion piece. Not actual evidence.

Anyways. We disagree. Fair enough. No point arguing this further

Ok but let's discuss the global warming in the thread

 

[X Æ A-12]

Because it's being promilgated by a major party in the US of A and they made a horrible green new deal to combat it with alot of nonsense. I think we're in need of adjustment and we have to be nuanced and smart about it

Not really though. They had their moment and the Democrat establishment is trying distance themselves enough from it without fully condemning it (as they still want those votes too).

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Not really though. They had their moment and the Democrat establishment is trying distance themselves enough from it without fully condemning it (as they still want those votes too).

It's just crazy that they would try with this madness talk to you guys tomorrow gonna chill for a bit before sleep