'Murica! (85 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

She's the rising star, who will most likely bring the party down

FYI amazon was bringing in 25000 jobs plus at least twice that number in residual jobs

 

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[Kopanja]

Yeah, and Trump was supposed to bring Reps down. They are going to brake her, chew her up and throw away.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

wtf and she's the new hope for democrats, right?

No. She's left of the typical democrat.

 

[Hust]

She's left of the typical democrat.

lol

 

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[Hust]

Nailed it. ^

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I don't really understand what that means there, but no. It's like saying Ron Paul is a typical republican, that's just not true. What, you think her and Cuomo would have the same platform if running for President? Or I guess you think Hillary and Bernie would've been the same as well

 

[Enron]

I don’t mind her. She’s definitely representing a growing party of the population and deserves a place at the table.

That said, I don’t agree with a lot that she says and hopefully she’s not actually the great hope for the Dems. That would mean the Dems are a lot further back than we thought.

 

[Enron]

Democratic Party leaders are so out of touch with reality. Clinton, Warren, Harris, etc. They are choosing the most unpopular women in the party, the only ones Trump actually can win against. Bizarre.

It’s perfectly fine to have a female presidential candidate, but at least choose one that has some sort of appeal to the voting public.

They only choose the nominee, not who runs for it. There’s going to be a pretty big field of Dems. Corey Booker has already announced as has the governor of Washington and others.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

The bottom line for me is I really did want Amazon here, but I do very much understand the concerns of LIC residents that didn't want it there. This is not only because I've lived in this city my whole life too and have seen what they're talking about, but because it very much echos the same issues face by Americans in other big cities such as LA, Seattle, etc in terms of being pushed out.

Amazon also didn't need the subsidies, there should be no huge corporate welfare packages like that for such a large company imo, regardless of how much it can be looked at as an investment. Amazon would've benefited from being here in itself. But now, rather than both the city/state and Amazon benefiting, no one gets anything. This was all terribly done from the beginning.

 

[Enron]

The bottom line for me is I really did want Amazon here, but I do very much understand the concerns of LIC residents that didn't want it there. This is not only because I've lived in this city my whole life too and have seen what they're talking about, but because it very much echos the same issues face by Americans in other big cities such as LA, Seattle, etc in terms of being pushed out.

Amazon also didn't need the subsidies, there should be no huge corporate welfare packages like that for such a large company imo, regardless of how much it can be looked at as an investment. Amazon would've benefited from being here in itself. But now, rather than both the city/state and Amazon benefiting, no one gets anything. This was all terribly done from the beginning.

I though Amazon choosing NYC was a dumb decision. Would have been better off in a slightly smaller market.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I though Amazon choosing NYC was a dumb decision. Would have been better off in a slightly smaller market.

I say this because we

1. Have a highly educated, diverse workforce
2. A 24 hour mass-transit system (it may smell like urine and be running on technology from before I was alive, but it works)
3. Infrastructure in place to support the company and its workers
4. Money everywhere

Bloomberg published this recently as well
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ut-san-francisco-to-be-world-s-best-tech-city

Based on this by Savills
https://www.savills.com/insight-and...cisco-to-be-crowned-world-s-premier-tech-city

The biggest downside I see to New York City at the end of the day is really just cost, but it's not like Amazon wouldn't be able to handle that.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The bottom line for me is I really did want Amazon here, but I do very much understand the concerns of LIC residents that didn't want it there. This is not only because I've lived in this city my whole life too and have seen what they're talking about, but because it very much echos the same issues face by Americans in other big cities such as LA, Seattle, etc in terms of being pushed out.

Amazon also didn't need the subsidies, there should be no huge corporate welfare packages like that for such a large company imo, regardless of how much it can be looked at as an investment. Amazon would've benefited from being here in itself. But now, rather than both the city/state and Amazon benefiting, no one gets anything. This was all terribly done from the beginning.

No one gets anything? A bit dishonest don't you think, Amazon doesn't need NYC, the subsidies are to entice them to come because they would be such a boon for the local economy, the taxes from the residual jobs be it state, sales... will easily cover the subsidies. But way to confirm the narrative that the Dems are anti business socialists.

 

[Enron]

No one gets anything? A bit dishonest don't you think, Amazon doesn't need NYC, the subsidies are to entice them to come because they would be such a boon for the local economy, the taxes from the residual jobs be it state, sales... will easily cover the subsidies. But way to confirm the narrative that the Dems are anti business socialists.

Some Dems.

 

[Ronn]

No one gets anything? A bit dishonest don't you think, Amazon doesn't need NYC, the subsidies are to entice them to come because they would be such a boon for the local economy, the taxes from the residual jobs be it state, sales... will easily cover the subsidies. But way to confirm the narrative that the Dems are anti business socialists.

Amazon needs a local talent pool too, so they probably won't want to build their HQ2 in Hattiesburg, MS where there would probably be no local opposition.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

No one gets anything? A bit dishonest don't you think, Amazon doesn't need NYC, the subsidies are to entice them to come because they would be such a boon for the local economy, the taxes from the residual jobs be it state, sales... will easily cover the subsidies. But way to confirm the narrative that the Dems are anti business socialists.

What I meant by "no one gets anything" is that as of now we don't get the new headquarters, and Amazon doesn't either since they claimed they won't be looking for a replacement. Please define what you mean by local economy, are you talking specifically LIC or NYC? As for the subsidies, that's what I meant when I said it could be looked at as an investment. But what I'm saying is that I believe New York is still an attractive destination in its own right REGARDLESS of subsidies and could've been chosen regardless for my previously mentioned points. And that's assuming it all worked out as promised (Foxconn, for example https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...in-s-disastrous-4-5-billion-deal-with-foxconn)

Oh please, drop the buzzword nonsense. The deal was negotiated by democrats Cuomo and de Blasio to begin with, with support from the majority of New Yorkers and even locally with some unions and public housing. This was, again before I got OLOL EN PE CEE rather than an actual response, wanted by people that lean farther left on spectrum than your traditional democrat.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What buzzwords, amazon decided to pull out of the deal because of opposition from local politicians who are democrats, these are facts. And this opposition was anti business for no other reason than them being socialist loons.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

What buzzwords, amazon decided to pull out of the deal because of opposition from local politicians who are democrats, these are facts. And this opposition was anti business for no other reason than them being socialist loons.

"the Dems are anti business socialists"

When, as stated, it was a certain portion of the party that does not align with their mainstays. Sentences like that immediately remind me of retarded distant relatives that go off on rants about how Trump was chosen by God to save the babies from abortions, or other such insane ramblings. It's as I said, like calling Ron Paul a republican when it's more nuanced than that. And you do realize that the opposition was about more than just the subsidies, correct?

Actually, but even if it was, why would being against corporate welfare automatically qualify one as a socialist?

 

[Enron]

Socialist is the new terrorist.

The reality is that New York suffers from NIMBY and fears of further gentrification of working class areas. Smart businesses will work with communities to ease those concerns.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

"the Dems are anti business socialists"

When, as stated, it was a certain portion of the party that does not align with their mainstays. Sentences like that immediately remind me of retarded distant relatives that go off on rants about how Trump was chosen by God to save the babies from abortions, or other such insane ramblings. It's as I said, like calling Ron Paul a republican when it's more nuanced than that. And you do realize that the opposition was about more than just the subsidies, correct?

Actually, but even if it was, why would being against corporate welfare automatically qualify one as a socialist?

Learn how to read, the post said this action confirms a narrative, it doesn't mean that Dems are anti business socialists, but there is a narrative that they are and this is ammo for people pushing that narrative.