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[Enron]

He simply sounds like a person who has never travelled outside his own town. Little to no life experience when it comes to other culture or countries and to make matters worse he's also very ill informed. This post in particular was ridiculous, because it's blatantly, and demonstrably, untrue.

I think I remember him traveling to Italy a lot. So I don't think it is that. I think he just enjoys the troll.

 

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[Fr3sh]

An interesting perspective here from this man, a Florida pastor who went to the Trump rally on the weekend. It's really quite an excellent post, notwithstanding the religious background.

https://www.facebook.com/joel.tooley/posts/10155350764828888

That was funny and disturbing at the same time. Viva Il Duce.

 

[Ronn]

They are above all politicians. Even as feminists, it was their choice to wear headscarves in order to be able to get their work done (many feminists approve of sex workers so long as this is their choice after all). It's ridiculous how this makes headlines but not the so many cases of "democratic" governments' political and economic deals and relationships with dictatorships. If we are talking "principles" the latter is a much bigger breach of that. If we expect the Swedes' refusal to wear headscarves to help iranian women (like what Masih Alinejad suggests), we are only fooling ourselves. I see no practical value in those women's hyothetical refusal to wear a hijab either.

As a government official you don't have the luxury to stick to your ideals 100%. I get that. But don't paint as "just a choice they made". In that case every other thing they do will be devoid of any meaning, such as that Trump trolling photo.
And I agree that all the deals that western democracies make with despotic Middle Eastern governments should be brough to light. I personally was appalled by France selling arms to Saudis.

 

[ZoSo]

A lot of western countries don't allow people to wear a niqab or a burqa precisely under that pretext.

A lot? Maybe like 2-3 and only in certain places. Sweden doesn't and I doubt you can walk into a bank there wearing a helmet or something else non-islamic that covers your face.

His post makes no sense in relations to what I wrote

Then you lack comprehension

Should ended post there.


Everything he posts reminds me of your avatar lol.

He simply sounds like a person who has never travelled outside his own town. Little to no life experience when it comes to other culture or countries and to make matters worse he's also very ill informed. This post in particular was ridiculous, because it's blatantly, and demonstrably, untrue.

"le forum psychologist"

what a joke

I think I remember him traveling to Italy a lot. So I don't think it is that. I think he just enjoys the troll.

 

[king Ale]

Beyond repair.

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As a government official you don't have the luxury to stick to your ideals 100%. I get that. But don't paint as "just a choice they made". In that case every other thing they do will be devoid of any meaning, such as that Trump trolling photo.
And I agree that all the deals that western democracies make with despotic Middle Eastern governments should be brough to light. I personally was appalled by France selling arms to Saudis.

That was exactly what you said, a trolling photo, nothing more.

I'm not even talking about selling arms, even other (i.e., any kind of) economic deals with those countries should be stopped by that logic. But obviously you don't see anyone complaining about that.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Beyond repair.

I have hope for him, let's wait until he actually becomes someone

 

[ALC]

I have hope for him, let's wait until he actually becomes someone

Who are we talking about? Trump or ZoSo?

 

[king Ale]

I have hope for him, let's wait until he actually becomes someone

My impression was always that normal religious people, though maybe more naive and less rational, are more compassionate than non-religious people. And the impression was based on my life experiences obviously, that although I'd definitely feel more comfortable around non-religious people, I somehow liked religious people for their faith, compassion, sympathy, kindness etc. Even on the issue of abortion, I could understand where the religious people were coming from (though i disagreed with), that an unborn child deserves more sympathy than a selfish irresponsible grown-up woman. Recent events have made me realize, again, how when compassion is removed from religion what remains is monstrous.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Nah trump is hopeless

 

[ALC]

My impression was always that normal religious people, though maybe more naive and less rational, are more compassionate than non-religious people. And the impression was based on my life experiences obviously, that although I'd definitely feel more comfortable around non-religious people, I somehow liked religious people for their faith, compassion, sympathy, kindness etc. Even on the issue of abortion, I could understand where the religious people were coming from (though i disagreed with), that an unborn child deserves more sympathy than a selfish irresponsible grown-up woman. Recent events have made me realize, again, how when compassion is removed from religion what remains is monstrous.

Ooh, good point.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

My impression was always that normal religious people, though maybe more naive and less rational, are more compassionate than non-religious people. And the impression was based on my life experiences obviously, that although I'd definitely feel more comfortable around non-religious people, I somehow liked religious people for their faith, compassion, sympathy, kindness etc. Even on the issue of abortion, I could understand where the religious people were coming from (though i disagreed with), that an unborn child deserves more sympathy than a selfish irresponsible grown-up woman. Recent events have made me realize, again, how when compassion is removed from religion what remains is monstrous.

There is no such thing as religious people in my book, you are either compassionate/empathic/ethical most of the time or you are not, calling yourself Christian out going through the motions of rituals doesn't grant you your humanity.

 

[Ocelot]

There is no such thing as religious people in my book, you are either compassionate/empathic/ethical most of the time or you are not, calling yourself Christian out going through the motions of rituals doesn't grant you your humanity.

I'd say the defining difference between religious/non-religious is simply the belief in whatever higher power/deity they've ascribed too.

If you really believe in a Christian version of god but are behaving completely unethical and cruel you're still religious in my book. You're also a horrible Christian who hasn't understood the idea of the religion at all, but there'd be no sense in calling such a person non-religious.

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My impression was always that normal religious people, though maybe more naive and less rational, are more compassionate than non-religious people. And the impression was based on my life experiences obviously, that although I'd definitely feel more comfortable around non-religious people, I somehow liked religious people for their faith, compassion, sympathy, kindness etc. Even on the issue of abortion, I could understand where the religious people were coming from (though i disagreed with), that an unborn child deserves more sympathy than a selfish irresponsible grown-up woman. Recent events have made me realize, again, how when compassion is removed from religion what remains is monstrous.

Definitely fits my experience as well.

Though for some of the (strongly) religious people I've met, being extremely caring & nice did not clash at all with some quite ignorant or even downright hateful views on homosexuals/other faiths.

 

[Ronn]

Beyond repair.

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That was exactly what you said, a trolling photo, nothing more.

I'm not even talking about selling arms, even other (i.e., any kind of) economic deals with those countries should be stopped by that logic. But obviously you don't see anyone complaining about that.

That's not my logic. Any economic deal that helps the dictatorship to continue suppress its own people or people on other countries should be exposed. Such as arms deals or deals like Nokia selling eavesdropping devices to Ahmadinejad government after 2009 election.

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My impression was always that normal religious people, though maybe more naive and less rational, are more compassionate than non-religious people. And the impression was based on my life experiences obviously, that although I'd definitely feel more comfortable around non-religious people, I somehow liked religious people for their faith, compassion, sympathy, kindness etc. Even on the issue of abortion, I could understand where the religious people were coming from (though i disagreed with), that an unborn child deserves more sympathy than a selfish irresponsible grown-up woman. Recent events have made me realize, again, how when compassion is removed from religion what remains is monstrous.

I'm kind of surprised that you reached this conclusion only after recent events considering what we have been through in Iran. Organized religion almost always lacks that compassion factor. What's left is a set of laws that can easily be manipulated in favor of the leaders.

 

[king Ale]

There is no such thing as religious people in my book, you are either compassionate/empathic/ethical most of the time or you are not, calling yourself Christian out going through the motions of rituals doesn't grant you your humanity.

I meant followers of religions, or those who consider themselves to be followers of a religion. The only thing in religions that has value in my eyes is their emphasis on compassion, selflessness and care, the rest is bs. That's why my rule of thumb impression was and is that religious people are kinder, less selfish, and more sensitive to the pain of others. If you take those from them, they are far scarier than their non-compassionate selfish non-religious counterparts.

 

[lgorTudor]

My impression was always that normal religious people, though maybe more naive and less rational, are more compassionate than non-religious people. And the impression was based on my life experiences obviously, that although I'd definitely feel more comfortable around non-religious people, I somehow liked religious people for their faith, compassion, sympathy, kindness etc. Even on the issue of abortion, I could understand where the religious people were coming from (though i disagreed with), that an unborn child deserves more sympathy than a selfish irresponsible grown-up woman. Recent events have made me realize, again, how when compassion is removed from religion what remains is monstrous.

Agreed but on the other hand you have to tiptoe around so many topics with religious people and they get super aggressive so damn (another word to avoid) fast when confronted with adverse views or even insinuations. Older, religious ppl in the family, fundamental christians..eeeew that's hard work

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'd say the defining difference between religious/non-religious is simply the belief in whatever higher power/deity they've ascribed too.

If you really believe in a Christian version of god but are behaving completely unethical and cruel you're still religious in my book. You're also a horrible Christian who hasn't understood the idea of the religion at all, but there'd be no sense in calling such a person non-religious.

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Definitely fits my experience as well.

Though for some of the (strongly) religious people I've met, being extremely caring & nice did not clash at all with some quite ignorant or even downright hateful views on homosexuals/other faiths.

But that's my point, your definition of religious means nothing vis a vis the other, i don't care if you adhere to rituals or hold beliefs your religiosity as far as i am concerned is manifested in you treatment of me/others. Therein lies the distinction.

 

[king Ale]

That's not my logic. Any economic deal that helps the dictatorship to continue suppress its own people or people on other countries should be exposed. Such as arms deals or deals like Nokia selling eavesdropping devices to Ahmadinejad government after 2009 election.

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I'm kind of surprised that you reached this conclusion only after recent events considering what we have been through in Iran. Organized religion almost always lacks that compassion factor. What's left is a set of laws that can easily be manipulated in favor of the leaders.

Absolutely, that's why I said it made me realize that "again".

Also I'm talking about normal people not those with political motivations. My generally positive impression of religious people was formed based on my life experiences in Iran, having grown up in a religious family (my grandfather was an ayatollah), and it survived the Iranian government's religious agenda and discrimination, compulsory hejab, moral police [], etc.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I meant followers of religions, or those who consider themselves to be followers of a religion. The only thing in religions that has value in my eyes is their emphasis on compassion, selflessness and care, the rest is bs. That's why my rule of thumb impression was and is that religious people are kinder, less selfish, and more sensitive to the pain of others. If you take those from them, they are far scarier than their non-compassionate selfish non-religious counterparts.

Religion is supposed to benefit the self and the community/society. The self is fed through prayer and the comfort of the cosmic justice. The community is where the compassion and selflessness play a role. Politicized religion feeds on the insecurities of the adherents, either through fear or feelings of inadequacy: the others want to harm us, and oh look we are better than them.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

On Thursday afternoon, the U.S. Department of Justice officially rescinded its policy barring the use of private prisons—an order that had been put in place by the Obama administration last year.
A memo sent by current Attorney General Jeff Sessions explained that the August 2016 order to end the DOJ’s use of private prisons, “impaired the Bureau’s ability to meet the future needs of the federal correctional system.”
http://fusion.net/story/388637/trump-doj-sessions-private-prisons/



And then 25 minutes ago from Dolan:

Seven people shot and killed yesterday in Chicago. What is going on there - totally out of control. Chicago needs help!
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[king Ale]

Religion is supposed to benefit the self and the community/society. The self is fed through prayer and the comfort of the cosmic justice. The community is where the compassion and selflessness play a role. Politicized religion feeds on the insecurities of the adherents, either through fear or feelings of inadequacy: the others want to harm us, and oh look we are better than them.

I agree with every.single.word