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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Yup. It does mean something. People find emotional appeal in different things. Logic has nothing to do with it.
I just find it silly when you celebtrate losing 2/3s of the jobs you said you would save like you just won the super bowl.

All you did was negotiate the downsizing.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
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You might hate it, but for a lot of people, it means something. Not everyone has the ability to understand and interpret the affects of actual policy, and will instead form opinions on things like these. It's sad that the world is like this, but that's just how it is... And Trump has been very bold in his statements on this matter, also receiving many votes from it, so he has to deliver "results" (in the eyes of the uneducated public) from day 1.
Of course it does. That's why populism is still a thing. Otherwise it would be a Greek myth or something.
But please don't call it as it is something positive. Politicians pull these kind of stunts all the time.
 

Sir Miss-A-Lot

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May 22, 2013
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Of course it does. That's why populism is still a thing. Otherwise it would be a Greek myth or something.
But please don't call it as it is something positive. Politicians pull these kind of stunts all the time.
I don't see where i labeled it something positive. I believe that a lot of people will react positively towards it, hence making it great communication, but that has nothing to do with how i view it. In the big picture, it is insignificant, but he signalled a course, and it will be interesting to see the implications should he back it up by actual policy in the coming years.
 

happybum

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Oct 23, 2014
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I wonder what the corporate tax rate to 15% will do.


It will hurt other western nations. But to be fair the US should look at itself first.
From what I've heard Ireland decided to lower taxes and companies are swarming there. 15% rate in the US, would give a massive boost in the short term.

Would it balance the books in the long term? That's a whole different story. I'm sure whatever Trump does the deficit will suffer.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
42,251
-George Washington
Denzel said it today. Its good, but sadly it wont change a thing.

The progressive left media, basically every mainstream media except Fox (which is garbage aswel), is trusted by just 36% of the american population.


They will continue to twist and turn in favor of democrats, will continue to push the political correct, socialist, establishment agenda. They'll keep ignoring a majority of americans is fed up with beeing called a sexist/biggot/facist/homophobe/hates the poor when you have concerns about migration, free economy/state involvement, feminist bs,political correctness, the black violence, establishment.


Nope, only some redneck racist and the KKK voted Trump. He didnt get votes because he was the only candidate to adress the above issues which are so concerning they looked over his personal flaws.



Watch him get re-elected in 4 years if this stays the same and Trump manages to make a few populist decisions (which are bad, but only when you actually know why), like with Carrier.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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We had a nice example of this shit in Belgium some months ago.


When adressing the media, the major of antwerp was asked about their civil model for including different ethnic groups. His response was the following

"We try to create a civillian identity, based on morals and decency, with freedom of what people practice in their private times, as long as they all follow the basic principles of the democraty (equal rights, etc). Everybody is welcome to join. This has allowed nearly all ethnic groups to be fairly well integrated in Antwerp, and the unemployment rate has been rather well. The only exceptions is the morrocan berber community who is difficult to reach. After which he sums up some recent facts about unemployment rates, dropout rates etcetra"

He was then accused of racism, because he named some facts.


The actual discussion would have been. A major, "a father of his city people", should he publically express these facts, which kinda stigmatises a community ? Well, thats a good discussion. Its political correctness versus freedom of speech and opinion.

But no. The discussion was wether it was racist that he expressed these facts.



And this country is supposed to solve the increasingly serious muslim radicalisation issue in parts of brussel and charleroi. :tup:
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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People sometimes are looking for offense. If a government is doing a poor job of reaching or integrating a specific minority community, better to not try to hide the fact or for the government to pretend that community is doing just fine or that it even doesn't exist. That's nonsense.

That's like suggesting that US police forces have not succeeded at collaborating with certain racial communities and yet pretending that Black Lives Matter protestors outside the police station don't exist.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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People sometimes are looking for offense. If a government is doing a poor job of reaching or integrating a specific minority community, better to not try to hide the fact or for the government to pretend that community is doing just fine or that it even doesn't exist. That's nonsense.

That's like suggesting that US police forces have not succeeded at collaborating with certain racial communities and yet pretending that Black Lives Matter protestors outside the police station don't exist.
If you have dozens of different communities, and one of them integrated significantly worse then the others, the problem is culture, not the goverment.


Not properly adressing the huge issue of the black lives matter biggot racists, and thus not caring about the 5:1 chance of a black male beeing mudered by another black male rather then a white male, is the worst, amongst many, mistake Obama made.

Ffs, after the police officers got murdered his speech was utter garbage and of all people, George W. Bush made a much better speech.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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We had a nice example of this shit in Belgium some months ago.


When adressing the media, the major of antwerp was asked about their civil model for including different ethnic groups. His response was the following

"We try to create a civillian identity, based on morals and decency, with freedom of what people practice in their private times, as long as they all follow the basic principles of the democraty (equal rights, etc). Everybody is welcome to join. This has allowed nearly all ethnic groups to be fairly well integrated in Antwerp, and the unemployment rate has been rather well. The only exceptions is the morrocan berber community who is difficult to reach. After which he sums up some recent facts about unemployment rates, dropout rates etcetra"

He was then accused of racism, because he named some facts.


The actual discussion would have been. A major, "a father of his city people", should he publically express these facts, which kinda stigmatises a community ? Well, thats a good discussion. Its political correctness versus freedom of speech and opinion.

But no. The discussion was wether it was racist that he expressed these facts.



And this country is supposed to solve the increasingly serious muslim radicalisation issue in parts of brussel and charleroi. :tup:
How integrated is the hasidic population of antwerp?
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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How integrated is the hasidic population of antwerp?
Rather well. They chose to close off from social activity with other community's, like they do everywhere except with other hasidic jews, but they support themselves, tend to their neighbourhoods, got a good enployment rate (mostly their own business), and next to zero criminality.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Rather well. They chose to close off from social activity with other community's, like they do everywhere except with other hasidic jews, but they support themselves, tend to their neighbourhoods, got a good enployment rate (mostly their own business), and next to zero criminality.
Your answer makes no sense, I will take the words of your honorable mayor seriously when he criticizes the hasidic the same way he did the new age social pinata, Muslims
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Your answer makes no sense, I will take the words of your honorable mayor seriously when he criticizes the hasidic the same way he did the new age social pinata, Muslims
He talked about Moroccan berbers. Not 'muslims'. We have ALOT of ethnical groups which are Muslims. No issue with that at all in antwerp.

In fact, he defended people's right to believe in a religion as its "their own private time", and defended the right of not just funding catholic buildings but also Mosks.

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To be more clear, when talking about integration, he made a point of moroccan berbers living in antwerp, doing far to few effords in getting out of unemployment, beeing difficult to reach out to in this regard, having high criminal statistics, and beeing a rahter isolated group in general.


I'm beeing polite here. We have a fair amount of Turks and Iraqi people at our gym (awesome people, yeah especially Turks are perhaps a bit too proud of their own wellbeeing, but they are friendly energetic people that drop the outer steel if you just straight up make convo's with them . If i would quote their opinion, you'd ban me for excercing my freedom of speech in a heartbeat.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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Rather well. They chose to close off from social activity with other community's, like they do everywhere except with other hasidic jews, but they support themselves, tend to their neighbourhoods, got a good enployment rate (mostly their own business), and next to zero criminality.
Easy there. If it's anything like here, they sweep it under the rug and deal with it internally. Especially sex crimes.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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If you have dozens of different communities, and one of them integrated significantly worse then the others, the problem is culture, not the goverment.


Not properly adressing the huge issue of the black lives matter biggot racists, and thus not caring about the 5:1 chance of a black male beeing mudered by another black male rather then a white male, is the worst, amongst many, mistake Obama made.
I'm lost here. In the first paragraph you're saying the government isn't responsible for cultural integration, and the next you're saying the government is responsible for whether a community decides to murder itself or not.
 

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