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[king Ale]

Actually those words were within seconds of each other in two consecutive polls. Methodology means very little when you can ask a question in a certain way or skew your cross section of people polled. It's very easy to take a subsection of the population and make it say whatever you like. Polls are like statistics.

Methodology is exactly about how you take a subsection of the population, so it means a lot and there's only one way you can ask "who you are voting". Polls need to be repeated because small events can change people's opinions but unless the contest is very close, these polls are actually pretty accurate. Only people who don't understand statistics tend to ignore it like that.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Methodology is exactly about how you take a subsection of the population, so it means a lot and there's only one way you can ask "who you are voting". Polls need to be repeated because small events can change people's opinions but unless the contest is very close, these polls are actually pretty accurate. Only people who don't understand statistics tend to ignore it like that.

So you mean very close like the 44% Clinton 43.4% Trump polls now

 

[king Ale]

So you mean very close like the 44% Clinton 43.4% Trump polls now

Absolutely. I think it's a very close contest and I predict that it'll stay close like this unless something dramatic about either of the candidates happens. My point is, only because in a blue state people who come to your restaurant are Trump's supporters doesn't mean you have figured it out with more accuracy than professional polls.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Absolutely. I think it's a very close contest and I predict that it'll stay close like this unless something dramatic about either of the candidates happens. My point is, only because in a blue state people who come to your restaurant are Trump's supporters doesn't mean you have figured it out with more accuracy than professional polls.

I never said that nor did I say they were Trump supporters. I said if you read back that many people who I know to be Democrats and liberals are anti establishment especially the Clinton democratic establishment.

 

[king Ale]

I never said that nor did I say they were Trump supporters. I said if you read back that many people who I know to be Democrats and liberals are anti establishment especially the Clinton democratic establishment.

"the average person on the ground in the restaurant( in leftist NJ) are all in for trump."

 

[AndreaCristiano]

"the average person on the ground in the restaurant( in leftist NJ) are all in for trump."

Yes and continue reading. The majority I said are leftist democratic voters whom do not trust the establishment especially the Democratic one. Don't cherry pick lines

 

[king Ale]

Yes and continue reading. The majority I said are leftist democratic voters whom do not trust the establishment especially the Democratic one. Don't cherry pick lines

That's the line I disputed and you went on saying that polls are never ever accurate.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That's line I disputed and you went on saying that polls are never ever accurate.

Goodnight king Ale it's late and this seems like thediscussion is become a bit circular.

 

[Hust]

Wow sometimes on this forum it's like talking to a wall. I lean more conservative and in New Jersey that is a rare breed. The customers in my restaurant are very liberal for the most part. So what I am saying is I have never heard this much anti Democratic party rancor until this election. Anti establishment all around. The temperature is very different this time around.
Ps polls are shit. They are never ever accurate

It's anti-establishment because Bernie and his campaign threw a monkey wrench into the establishment machine.

Add to that the new wiki leaks spill on the hacked DNC emails you see just how shitty "non establishment" campaigns were treated. Bernie was a threat to their way of life and all the new voters that shifted are not happy about it.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's anti-establishment because Bernie and his campaign threw a monkey wrench into the establishment machine.

Add to that the new wiki leaks spill on the hacked DNC emails you see just how $#@!ty "non establishment" campaigns were treated. Bernie was a threat to their way of life and all the new voters that shifted are not happy about it.

To bad he sold out quicker than a 5 dollar whore

 

[Hust]

To bad he sold out quicker than a 5 dollar whore

I can bet you he is probably regretting that now maybe

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I can bet you he is probably regretting that now maybe

You bet or you hope? Bernie hates Trump, for good reason too

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You bet or you hope? Bernie hates Trump, for good reason too

That was no reason to back hillary he should have just walked away. Looks like a complete hypocrite now not just a sellout

 

[king Ale]

Goodnight king Ale it's late and this seems like thediscussion is become a bit circular.

Reviewing the materials is a way of learning, especially when you forget not only what you've been told but also what you have said yourself.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

That was no reason to back hillary he should have just walked away. Looks like a complete hypocrite now not just a sellout

It actually made me respect him, i thought a bernie presidency would be almost as bad as a trump one but at least he doesn't resort to divisiveness and self agrandizing to the bitter end. He realized the lesser of the 2 evils, if anything that makes him more of a patriot and i defo don't see that in trump.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It actually made me respect him, i thought a bernie presidency would be almost as bad as a trump one but at least he doesn't resort to divisiveness and self agrandizing to the bitter end. He realized the lesser of the 2 evils, if anything that makes him more of a patriot and i defo don't see that in trump.

How can you respect someone who was anti everything hillary stood for and then in the end threw his hat in that establishment ring. It shows his beliefs are paper thin especially after these emails came out and how they were treating that campaign. It shows that Bernie is full of crap and is more of the same political bloviation that is all over Washington DC. A man doesn't abandon his principles that easy. The proper thing for him to do was state that no one deserves his support as no one lines up with his beliefs. Then most of the disgruntled supporters and others who just believed he was genuine would continue to believe that. Now no one does

 

[GordoDeCentral]

How can you respect someone who was anti everything hillary stood for and then in the end threw his hat in that establishment ring. It shows his beliefs are paper thin especially after these emails came out and how they were treating that campaign. It shows that Bernie is full of crap and is more of the same political bloviation that is all over Washington DC. A man doesn't abandon his principles that easy. The proper thing for him to do was state that no one deserves his support as no one lines up with his beliefs. Then most of the disgruntled supporters and others who just believed he was genuine would continue to believe that. Now no one does

Says the supporter of a once democrat who used to say the exact opposite of what he says now, you are incapable of being objective.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Says the supporter of a once democrat who used to say the exact opposite of what he says now, you are incapable of being objective.

Uhhh I'm not a Trump supporter. I said it earlier look back in the thread. Didn't like anyone at all on either side maybe a little Bernie and a little Rand Paul but I said I would vote for trump before Clinton, not that I'm a supporter

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Uhhh I'm not a Trump supporter. I said it earlier look back in the thread. Didn't like anyone at all on either side maybe a little Bernie and a little Rand Paul but I said I would vote for trump before Clinton, not that I'm a supporter

Then follow your advice for bernie and don't vote

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Then follow your advice for bernie and don't vote

I didn't say I was actually going to just said that if I did I would vote trump before hillary