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I wonder how we'd look at them in Europe. Perhaps Sanders would be considered almost normal? I suppose we'd think of him as old though. Trump would never stand a chance, no one would ever trust Clinton, Cruz is the devil incarnate so nevermind him... I guess if I were American I'd probably go with Sanders, but I'm not exactly enthused.
We actually had the closest you'd get to a European Trump in Austria in our last parliamentary election: Frank Stronach. Austro-Canadian billionaire who could barely speak German, and his interviews and debates were among the most bizarre things I've ever seen. He would just repeat that his opponents as well as journalists interviewing him didn't understand the economy, and that politics needed more values (never really said which though lol).
His party ended up getting around 5% (11 seats in the parliament), a few weeks afterwards Stronach went back to Canada and let his randomly assembled team deal with the clusterfuck that was his party. By now, almost all of his MEPs have either changed party or become independent.
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His party ended up getting around 5% (11 seats in the parliament), a few weeks afterwards Stronach went back to Canada and let his randomly assembled team deal with the clusterfuck that was his party. By now, almost all of his MEPs have either changed party or become independent.
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Marine Le Pen is batshit crazy, but I don't know if she ever said that a vast majority of all immigrants are criminals. I mean, she's definitely racist and all, but I doubt she'd get away with such a blatant disregard for statistics. For me Trump's craziness is unmatched in Europe, and until recently he'd have been mocked in the US as well (cfr. Bush who was way more 'normal').
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He's also 74. In a lot of countries there is a tendency towards younger people, e.g. Matteo Renzi, Charles Michel, Mark Rutte, ... People in their forties with established careers, but who still have a lot to do. Sanders would be 78 when his term ends and to really amount to something, you need two. At the halfway point of his second term he'd be 80..
I don't want to discriminate against age at all and there are plenty of 80 year olds who are still bright, but is it really fair to place such a burden on him?
Marine Le Pen, or all the other right wing extremists in Europe are just as dangerous to society imo, and share a few of their ideas, but they also represent an entirely different strand of politics. Le Pen & co. seem serious at least, Trump is just...ridiculous.
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Communism is very much stigmatised in Western Europe too (and after the historical experiences understandably so), there's just a clear distinction between social democracy and communism. Make no mistake that Europe has very much moved to the right economically speaking the past few decades as well.
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Communism is very much stigmatised in Western Europe too (and after the historical experiences understandably so), there's just a clear distinction between social democracy and communism. Make no mistake that Europe has very much moved to the right economically speaking the past few decades as well.
That's why I said closet communists. In reality there is no clear dividing line between socialism, social democracy and even communist, at least economically. Its a continuum and every system is a mixed system. But if we have to give a label to Sanders, he's much closer to communism than to social democracy.