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Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,766
How is taxation in Italy?
pretty bad. If you're making business it goes up to 70% or so.
Problem is there are fed taxes + local taxes (basically they tax anything they can).
That why the concept of evading to survive. Cause unless you're really succesfull you'll go bankrupt or earn shitty and work non stop
Working for yourself aka opening a small shop means getting around 800-1000€/month with all the risks.
I'd say it's not advised to start a small shop unless you own the building cause it will means 90% fail rate.

Oh something funny a friend of mine posted on facebook the photo of a wine seller/bar wanting to hire a waitress
The piece of paper claiming "need a waitress with the will to work"
So he asked with the excuse for his daughter and the conditions were:
750€ (you don't get tips here in Italy so it's 750 and stop not like in Usa where you get minmial salary but 10% for the service)
Woking from 7 to 19pm
Holidays for Christmas (the actual day) , 5may and 15 august.
Working from Monday to Saturday full day and on Sunday half day.

Lol slavery if you ask.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,837
pretty bad. If you're making business it goes up to 70% or so.
Problem is there are fed taxes + local taxes (basically they tax anything they can).
That why the concept of evading to survive. Cause unless you're really succesfull you'll go bankrupt or earn shitty and work non stop
Working for yourself aka opening a small shop means getting around 800-1000€/month with all the risks.
I'd say it's not advised to start a small shop unless you own the building cause it will means 90% fail rate.

Oh something funny a friend of mine posted on facebook the photo of a wine seller/bar wanting to hire a waitress
The piece of paper claiming "need a waitress with the will to work"
So he asked with the excuse for his daughter and the conditions were:
750€ (you don't get tips here in Italy so it's 750 and stop not like in Usa where you get minmial salary but 10% for the service)
Woking from 7 to 19pm
Holidays for Christmas (the actual day) , 5may and 15 august.
Working from Monday to Saturday full day and on Sunday half day.

Lol slavery if you ask.
indeed
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
hows it technicalities, this is relating back to the bernie sanders thing who last i checked was running for president, additionally i know for sure those city/county taxes are not buying F16s for israel or 10k toilets for the pentagon, i know exactly where my sales, property taxes are going and if i dont agree with it i can move to a different city or state. Theres also a city not too far where i am now that has no property taxes.
But then you don't have a problem with property taxes, but simply with federal taxes in general.

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nytimes + israel = waste of time
It's completely right in this example though.

I mean not that the situation in 1930es Germany would have any relevance to the situation of 21st century USA, but his statement is still ludicrous and shows some pretty horrible historical misconceptions.

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http://inthesetimes.com/article/185...eclare_hillary_clinton_winner_of_first_debate
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
But then you don't have a problem with property taxes, but simply with federal taxes in general.

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It's completely right in this example though.

I mean not that the situation in 1930es Germany would have any relevance to the situation of 21st century USA, but his statement is still ludicrous and shows some pretty horrible historical misconceptions.

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http://inthesetimes.com/article/185...eclare_hillary_clinton_winner_of_first_debate
Take a look at Robert Reich's Saving capitalism - for the many, not the few

http://www.amazon.com/Saving-Capitalism-For-Many-Not/dp/0385350570
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
I always welcome the confirmation that Americans do simply not understand scandinavian social democratism. That being Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, Hustini/Bjerknes or the author of that article. Calling our current government "libertarian" :lol:

On the other even more lovely again being confirmed that Denmark has more economical freedom than most countries despite our high taxes as well as the best business climate world - a mind fuck for simplest as well as the more complex Americans.

Pure fucken love right here:

http://www.cato.org/blog/be-or-not-be-danish-apparently-question

http://www.demos.org/blog/10/14/15/united-states-vs-denmark-17-charts#.Vh8ONEqoh-0.twitter

Btw. Fukuyama is right: you can't just apply a working model in one country to another country and expect it to work. But you sure can have ideas about in what way you want a country to go and both Hillary, Bernie and the lovely Warren is heading in the right (left) direction.

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For the uninformed. Begin here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,146
Btw. Fukuyama is right: you can't just apply a working model in one country to another country and expect it to work. But you sure can have ideas about in what way you want a country to go and both Hillary, Bernie and the lovely Warren is heading in the right (left) direction.

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Yeah, the US is not Denmark by any means. Like I said before, we already have a lot of welfare and social programs that are already in place. We already have 50 million Americans on food assistance, or 20% of the nation. If you increase it to where 50% are on it, it won't change a thing other than we have more people buying shit from Walmart (yippee, maybe their fucking stock will go up!) and incurring more debt. Hillary, Bernie, and the rest of the morons never say how they are going to pay for any of their BS, so it's the same old story of Liberals pushing crack and talking out of their asses, which is what they have been doing forever.

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Interesting article.

And of course the only way to pay for a lot of these programs is surprise... increasing taxes on the middle class! We are the easy target, we are the chumps, we don't have any pull in Washington for either party. Never mind that wealth redistribution is essentially stealing and morally reprehensible, but hey it goes to a good cause, right?

Just what I need... more of my money going to nonsensical "programs" for leechfucks or for government contracts so 80 IQ clowns can sit at a computer all day clicking through Pinterest. The fags can keep their welfare states overseas.

People like Maddy probably benefit from these programs, so of course they support them.
 

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