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[king Ale]

Okay, first of all proof doesn't exist. Only in math. And even then it only exists in the sense that you either find it convincing or not.

Beyond that, what I've seen of Dems vs Repubs there's a pretty clear trend. That's an opinion. No I will not provide data.

Just to make you feel better:

http://spq.sagepub.com/content/73/1/33.full

 

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[Martin]

Just to make you feel better:

http://spq.sagepub.com/content/73/1/33.full

what a horrible title

i've been in a great many polarized debates (as many of you recall), but even i eventually figured out that perpetuating the us vs them is pointless

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Which is essentially what proof means in any other context too. You're losing it, Martin .

prove it

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'm pretty sure about it, we were working on this subject the whole past year, may have to ask for the stats from my friend.

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One example from each side and you were proving your point?

I disagree, a lot of low income minorities vote Democrat I'm pretty sure it balances out

 

[Martin]

I disagree, a lot of low income minorities vote Democrat I'm pretty sure it balances out

you're talking about the voters? i was talking about the public figures

 

[king Ale]

what a horrible title

i've been in a great many polarized debates (as many of you recall), but even i eventually figured out that perpetuating the us vs them is pointless

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prove it

Given your comparison, i was expecting you to love the title

I disagree, a lot of low income minorities vote Democrat I'm pretty sure it balances out

This doesn't make them liberal.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Given your comparison, i was expecting you to love the title



This doesn't make them liberal.

works both ways

 

[Enron]

here's an intellectual conservative expanding on this subject:

There's no place for intellectual conservatives in today's republican party. Quite a shame.

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I like Rand. I'm not sold on anyone yet but Rand seems like someone I could vote for. Still too early to even have a clue who will be worth voting for

Whoever is the head of the RNC needs to cull the group after the next debate. Just tell the bottom 9, thanks for coming out. 17 is just too many. As of right now, I don't know who I like, forget about who I'm voting for.

 

[Ocelot]

http://shorensteincenter.org/conservative-media-influence-on-republican-party-jackie-calmes/

Huge read, I know, but pretty interesting.

 

[Trequartista]

here's an intellectual conservative expanding on this subject:

Thomas Sowell is interesting on some topics but his ideology is contradictory. Social conversatism and Austrian Economics (unrestricted free markets) are incompatible as there is nothing more destructive of social traditions and institutions than the unrestricted free market (Marx's critique of capitalism as destructive of social norms and institutions is quite apt here, as is Hegel's critique of what he calls the Savage Beast).

Social conservatism and Austrianism/Libertarianism are incompatible.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Thomas Sowell is interesting on some topics but his ideology is contradictory. Social conversatism and Austrian Economics (unrestricted free markets) are incompatible as there is nothing more destructive of social traditions and institutions than the unrestricted free market (Marx's critique of capitalism as destructive of social norms and institutions is quite apt here, as is Hegel's critique of what he calls the Savage Beast).

Social conservatism and Austrianism/Libertarianism are incompatible.

please enlighten me as to why you think sowell is part of the austrian school? also your definition of conservative is narrow and your own, additionally, marx and hegel are little bitches, especially that pansy marx. Finally, next time watch the video it will save you this

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http://shorensteincenter.org/conservative-media-influence-on-republican-party-jackie-calmes/

Huge read, I know, but pretty interesting.

synopsis?

 

[Trequartista]

please enlighten me as to why you think sowell is part of the austrian school? also your definition of conservative is narrow and your own, additionally, marx and hegel are little bitches, especially that pansy marx. Finally, next time watch the video it will save you this

Oh I did watch the video.

I did make a mistake, Sowell is of the Chicago School rather than the Austrian, but I do think that the same applies for the Chicago School.

Marx was indeed a little bitch (communism is absolute garbage) but his critique of capitalism is valid. Hegel is extremely tedious and boring but he had some interesting analyses.

To not be misunderstood, I'm not an opponent of the market, as long as its well regulated by the state. Unrestricted marked is destructive of social values and institutions.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Oh I did watch the video.

I did make a mistake, Sowell is of the Chicago School rather than the Austrian, but I do think that the same applies for the Chicago School.

Marx was indeed a little bitch (communism is absolute garbage) but his critique of capitalism is valid. Hegel is extremely tedious and boring but he had some interesting analyses.

marx was a bored guy who knew as much about the working man as he did about any sense of responsibility, if you did watch the video Sowell highlighted a very important point. Conservative approach never aims for a utopian or perfect outcome, it's all about trade-offs. There isnt one society in human history which thrived in anything other than a market economy

 

[Trequartista]

marx was a bored guy who knew as much about the working man as he did about any sense of responsibility

Doesn't make his critique of the negatives consequences of capitalism any less valid.

if you did watch the video Sowell highlighted a very important point. Conservative approach never aims for a utopian or perfect outcome, it's all about trade-offs. There isnt one society in human history which thrived in anything other than a market economy

Oh I agree, I'm for the market economy, but the Chicago School and the Austrians take it too far, there is absolutely a need for regulations and state interventions in the economy.

 

[Ocelot]

synopsis?

Conservative media pushes the Republican party to the extreme right and severely harms any candidate attempting to move towards the political middle or act more moderately.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Doesn't make his critique of the negatives consequences of capitalism any less valid.



Oh I agree, I'm for the market economy, but the Chicago School and the Austrians take it too far, there is absolutely a need for regulations and state interventions in the economy.

but see this is why i cant stand jon stewart and the like, gimme a viable alternative!

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Conservative media pushes the Republican party to the extreme right and severely harms any candidate attempting to move towards the political middle or act more moderately.

merci mon ami

hopefully tv is obsolete soon, its extinction will help with a lot of this

 

[Trequartista]

but see this is why i cant stand jon stewart and the like, gimme a viable alternative!

Oh I do have an alternative, I'm a Bonapartist/Gaullist, in favor of dirigisme.

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hopefully tv is obsolete soon, its extinction will help with a lot of this

Agreed.

 

[Ocelot]

Doesn't make his critique of the negatives consequences of capitalism any less valid.

This.

I mean a lot of his critique is not applicable to modern capitalism (how could it be, keeping in mind that the economic system looked very different back then - you wouldn't take Smith's and Ricardo's works and apply them one-for-one to modern capitalism either), but there is a lot of very valid criticism in his thoughts, in fact, I'd argue that most of his effort actually went into a criticism of capitalism rather than developing communism. The Capital for example is little more than an analysis and critique of capitalism.

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marx was a bored guy who knew as much about the working man as he did about any sense of responsibility, if you did watch the video Sowell highlighted a very important point. Conservative approach never aims for a utopian or perfect outcome, it's all about trade-offs. There isnt one society in human history which thrived in anything other than a market economy

What exactly does "thrive" mean? Did any society in human history ever really "thrive"?

Also, "market economy" is so extremely broad.

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but see this is why i cant stand jon stewart and the like, gimme a viable alternative!

Social democracy

 

[GordoDeCentral]

This.

I mean a lot of his critique is not applicable to modern capitalism (how could it be, keeping in mind that the economic system looked very different back then - you wouldn't take Smith's and Ricardo's works and apply them one-for-one to modern capitalism either), but there is a lot of very valid criticism in his thoughts, in fact, I'd argue that most of his effort actually went into a criticism of capitalism rather than developing communism. The Capital for example is little more than an analysis and critique of capitalism.

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What exactly does "thrive" mean? Did any society in human history ever really "thrive"?

Also, "market economy" is so extremely broad.

really simple: USA thrive, USSR not so much

 

[Hust]

There's no place for intellectual conservatives in today's republican party. Quite a shame.

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Whoever is the head of the RNC needs to cull the group after the next debate. Just tell the bottom 9, thanks for coming out. 17 is just too many. As of right now, I don't know who I like, forget about who I'm voting for.

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Conservative media pushes the Republican party to the extreme right and severely harms any candidate attempting to move towards the political middle or act more moderately.

Fox doesn't. They prefer the middle folk like Jeb

 

[DAiDEViL]

Conservative media pushes the Republican party to the extreme right and severely harms any candidate attempting to move towards the political middle or act more moderately.

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