'Murica! (126 Viewers)

[kappa96]

First, Romania was under SSSR.
Second, Yugoslava was not, was more pro USA/UK then created the third block.
Third, if some one kept YU together that was Tito not Slobo, he ruin it.
Bosnians died because of Serbian conservative/nationalistic politics after the communist "regime" failed (brought down by USA and EU, that's well documented). If it didn't not a single drop of blood.
Forth, Serbia was rich because was in Yugoslavia. You guys under SSSR can talk for yourself.


You're living in a matrix, you're living a lie.

And you still don't see the point don't you?

Yeah I know about Tito. I respect his vision on the matter. He was the only comunist leader that stood up to comunist Rusia, but comunism wasn't brought down by the USA or EU.
It was brought down by poverty and people's autodetermination to be free.

Again if everything was going well in Yugoslavia why did the other countries seceded?

Now, for example Croația is probably richer than both our countries.

We(România) are not doing so bad also in the EU. Since 2007 when we joined, my first salary in 2012 was 420 euros. Now I earn 1050 euros/month, without a college degree.
The it sector has gone through the roof with jobs starting from 1500 euros/month.

My mom used to earn in 2007 200 euros, before joining, while now she earns 600 euros/month working in a factory.

And all this with corruption everywhere. Just imagine what would have happened if we had leaders with integrity in this 13 years since we joined.

Capitalism works very well. You just need the right people to lead and implement it . Hope to see Serbia in EU also in the coming years.

 

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[AriG]

Thanks, I will check it out.

A little progress was made today (secretly laughs in Communist).

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Yeah I know about Tito. I respect his vision on the matter. He was the only comunist leader that stood up to comunist Rusia, but comunism wasn't brought down by the USA or EU.
It was brought down by poverty and people autodetermination to be free.

Maybe yours, maybe that's what happened under SSSR.
Not n YU tho'.
USA, EU etc backed the extremist groups on both sides, that's a known policy like they did in Afghanistan and the rest of the world.

 

[Hust]

Are these guys considered right-wingers in the Down Under?

 

[AriG]

Again if everything was going well in Yugoslavia why did the other countries seceded?

Now, for example Croația is probably richer than both our countries.

Wasn't going well after the death of TIto, many structures popped out from nowhere and did their thing; to break up the country.
Economy was going down but it would had survived it if it wasn't for the war.

Let's not pretend that we do not know where is Croatia and what political sphere is in and where is Serbia and what happened; whole decade of war, NATO bombardment and so on.

 

[Hust]

But the polls?

https://www.businessinsider.com/flo...ami-dade-latinos-cuban-american-voters-2020-9

 

[kappa96]

Wasn't going well after the death of TIto, many structures popped out from nowhere and did their thing; to break up the country.
Economy was going down but it would had survived it if it wasn't for the war.

Let's not pretend that we do not know where is Croatia and what political sphere is in and where is Serbia and what happened; whole decade of war, NATO bombardment and so on.

Well just have to agree to disagree on this one.
At the end of the day you are my European brethren and I've got no reason to continue quarrel with you.
I hope that both our countries and all Europe for that matter has a bright future ahead.

Sorry for the off topic everyone.

 

[AriG]

We(România) are not doing so bad also in the EU. Since 2007 when we joined, my first salary in 2012 was 420 euros. Now I earn 1050 euros/month, without a college degree.
The it sector has gone through the roof with jobs starting from 1500 euros/month.

My mom used to earn in 2007 200 euros, before joining, while now she earns 600 euros/month working in a factory.

And all this with corruption everywhere. Just imagine what would have happened if we had leaders with integrity in this 13 years since we joined.

Capitalism works very well. You just need the right people to lead and implement it . Hope to see Serbia in EU also in the coming years.

Thing is that the huge communist infrastructure was sold really cheap, was intentionally devalued.

A thing called transition happened where the system went from socialism to capitalism and the property and goods was as I said devalued by the future capitalists, thousands of people suddenly were without jobs and local thughs (extremely religious or nationalistic/racist, backed or not punished by the capitalist west) and criminals gained control of society. You should know that, transition in the SSSR was even worse. Capitalism "works" well in places where there's cheap labor or capital gained during the age of colonization and slavery let's not pretend like that never happened either. Let's not pretend that a simple thing as a fucking Nestle has the worst form of child labor not to even talk about more complicated stuff like economic (political) sanctions. Why? Isn't it a free market? And yet, some of you talk about hypocrisy.

Well just have to agree to disagree on this one.
At the end of the day you are my European brethren and I've got no reason to continue quarrel with you.
I hope that both our countries and all Europe for that matter has a bright future ahead.

Sorry for the off topic everyone.

I do not quarrel with you or any one, we're just discussing. There can be some words like retarded, dumb or whatever but that's a Balkan thing, a sign of love. Do you copy @Hust
Modern European values, and their standards, capitalist standards take a lot of things from socialism and tend to go there in future.

I'm afraid things can get worse in Europe because of extreme conservative and right wing movements among countries and religions.

 

[kappa96]

Thing is that the huge communist infrastructure was sold really cheap, was intentionally devalued.

A thing called transition happened where the system went from socialism to capitalism and the property and goods was as I said devalued by the future capitalists, thousands of people suddenly were without jobs and local toughs and criminals gained control of society. You should know that, transition in the SSSR was even worse. Capitalism "works" well in places where there's cheap labor or capital gained during the age of colonization and slavery let's not pretend like that never happened either. Let's not pretend that a simple thing as a fucking Nestle has the worst form of child labor not to even talk about more complicated stuff like economic (political) sanctions. Why? Isn't it a free market? And yet, some of you talk about hypocrisy.

Last reply.
You see that's the problem. You shift the blame on others and capitalism, when you should put the blame on your own people. Your people and mine voted for those leaders that devalued our industry and our economy.
Some of them still do to this day. In my country after the fall of comunism in 1990, my society had the chance to vote for progress (a liberal person to steer the country in the right direction) and a neo comunist who now posed as a socialist (a wolf in ship's clothing).

My society choosed wrong (neo comunist) and his cronnies proceeded to ranksack the country for 14 years, at least, some of them still find themselves in power to this day and their lackeys learned from the masters.
Now it would be easier to blame the EU, USA, multinational corporations, but the fact of the matter is we failed our country by voting the same corrupt politicians over and over again.
Those people were put in power by my mother's vote my father's vote and so forth.
The EU or USA never came here and threned us to vote for them. We did it to our selves.

Why didn't our people took to the streets when our leaders closed factories and sold or industry for scrap?

Where were our parents when some news came how some corupt politician took millions in bribes to sell the country for nothing?

Where are the local people in my country, when the forests are put down at an alarming rate to be shipped to Austria?

We just like to whine about the problem and nothing more

Some still vote for them after 30 years of corruption at the highest level, unfortunately.

 

[AriG]

Last reply.
You see that's the problem. You shift the blame on others and capitalism, when you should put the blame on your own people. Your people and mine voted for those leaders that devalued our industry and our economy.
Some of them still do to this day. In my country after the fall of comunism in 1990, my society had the chance to vote for progress (a liberal person to steer the country in the right direction) and a neo comunist who now posed as a socialist (a wolf in ship's clothing).

My society choosed wrong (neo comunist) and his cronnies proceeded to ranksack the country for 14 years, at least, some of them still find themselves in power to this day and their lackeys learned from the masters.
Now it would be easier to blame the EU, USA, multinational corporations, but the fact of the matter is we failed our country by voting the same corrupt politicians over and over again.
Those people were put in power by my mother's vote my father's vote and so forth.
The EU or USA never came here and threned us to vote for them. We did it to our selves.

Some still vote for them after 30 years of corruption at the highest level, unfortunately.

So you're saying that the people wanted their own factories to be devalued and be without jobs? They voted for that? Are you serious?
Those politicians lied to them, and those politicians (right, left what ever) we're literally sponsored by those corporations and countries.

A cancer of a system came which devalued the property, left thousands of people without jobs, created civil wars with genocides, wage slaves, exploited workers and natural resources, had a tons of environmental catastrophes, polluted the environment, alcoholism, drugs and poverty just because of profit and let's say a little bit of more racism. Those are the facts. There's a tons of very well documented statistics.

 

[kappa96]

So you're saying that the people wanted their own factories to be devalued and be without jobs?
Those politicians lied to them, and those politicians (right, left what ever) we're literally sponsored by those corporations and countries.

A cancer of a system came which devalued the property, left thousands of people without jobs, created civil wars with genocides, wage slaves, exploited workers and natural resources, had a tons of environmental catastrophes just because of profit and let's say a little bit of more racism. Those are the facts.

Bro why you shift the blame?
Corporations want to make money. It's your own people that sold your country's future for 10 silvers.
And you're people voted for those who sold you which make them responsible.
The corporations doesn't have anything to do about the problem if the politician shows integrity and says " No I will not take a bribe, I care for the Serbian/Romanian people."
They don't care about others. They are sellouts and our people put them in a position to sell our countries.

 

[AriG]

Bro why you shift the blame?
Corporations want to make money. It's your own people that sold your country's future for 10 silvers.
And you're people voted for those who sold you which make them responsible.
The corporations doesn't have anything to do about the problem if the politician shows integrity and says " No I will not take a bribe, I care for the Serbian/Romanian people."
They don't care about others. They are sellouts and our people put them there.

No, you're the one that shifts the blame. People voted wrong, they got deceived so that means that corporations can do whatever they want?
I dont ebennnnnnn

You will literally blame everyone except for the system. That's sad and you're not the only one.

 

[Enron]

Well this was an interesting turn of events

 

[kappa96]

No, you're the one that shifts the blame. People voted wrong, they got deceived so that means that corporations can do whatever they want?
I dont ebennnnnnn

So you are saying that people who voted for corrupt politicians don't have any kind of blame, after the same politicians, sold you're industry for nothing?

Would you have voted for them if you would have known what they were about to do?

And better yet, after seeing what the politicians did, have the population rose up in the streets to have them trown in jail, for selling the country 's future?

A saying goes like this " Politicians in parliament are the mirror of society".
And if most of them are corrupt that the society as a whole is corrupted.

 

[Post Ironic]

My cousins from Vienna (hardddd socialists) bought a house in the US to retire in. Even they know how amazing our country is and Austria is amazing. They love this country probably more than the leftists trying to "transform" this country. lol the irony in that example

What a weird anecdote to use as evidence of America’s “greatness”. Lol I’m sure you already understand that such anecdotes are meaningless. Half your country wants to come be Canadian right now. I know a shit ton of Americans who have retired here on Vancouver Island. Because they know Canada is just a bit more amazing than America

Oh. Just read through this entire conversation. Your post makes sense now. Check your privilege, broski. Narcissistic pig snorting WEEE DUN CAREEE

 

[AriG]

So you are saying that people who voted for corrupt politicians don't have any kind of blame, after the same politicians, sold you're industry for nothing?

Would you have voted for them if you would have known what they were about to do?

And better yet, after seeing what the politicians did, have the population rose up in the streets to have them trown in jail, for selling the country 's future?

First of all, you say you were repressed you wanted freedom.
You got it, you/we're wrong but did you know better?
And if so how can know?

Even if you did, is what they (corporations) do, moral, ethical?
If I jump of a bridge will you?

 

[Hust]

What a weird anecdote to use as evidence of America’s “greatness”. Lol I’m sure you already understand that such anecdotes are meaningless. Half your country wants to come be Canadian right now. I know a shit ton of Americans who have retired here on Vancouver Island. Because they know Canada is just a bit more amazing than America

Oh. Just read through this entire conversation. Your post makes sense now. Check your privilege, broski. Narcissistic pig snorting WEEE DUN CAREEE

The half that wants to be in Canada you can take. Same for the ones that want to be in Cuba. Take em LOL

I do thoroughly enjoy Canada...Mucho and really went to visit the West part near you one day, actually.

the pig part was great

 

[Post Ironic]

First of all, you say you were repressed you wanted freedom.
You got it, you we're wrong but did you know better?
And if so how can know?

Even if you did, is what they (corporations) do, moral, ethical?
If I jump of a bridge will you?

Why are you jumping off a bridge, dude? Is it because you live in a communist shithole? I suppose that could drive anyone to jump off a bridge. But keep your head up, have hope that one day you shall be liberated and live in a free and capitalist society too.

 

[Hust]

Murica thread is morphing into a Slavia thread.

 

[AriG]

the pig part was great

I do not think that you are but It's a saying Capytalst Pigg (with Russian accent)

Why are you jumping off a bridge, dude? Is it because you live in a communist shithole? I suppose that could drive anyone to jump off a bridge. But keep your head up, have hope that one day you shall be liberated and live in a free and capitalist society too.

There was never a communist country first of all, and if there's ever going to be one it will be Germany or the UK.
You can read a book, leafy.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Why is it hypocrisy in calling out capitalism or america? Cause americans are ignorant and retarded or that capitalism is a bad system?
It's common knowledge. And do not intellect this, made up morals that to me I'm like a PhD on these topics while you have seen two Jordan Lobster Peterson videos on youtube boy.

You a phd on topics, I'm chilling with the girl of your dreams in the tropics, but you are probably too soyed up to even think about girls. Just like @acmilan the same advice, you are not half as smart or ethical as you think, but unlike my boy milan you are twice the loser i can just tell, good luck with life, you will need it.